The Matrix Resurrections | December 22 2021 | Keanu, Lana Wachowski back

[JWR]

1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:

It means anything WB is releasing trailers 2-3 months max before the actual movie.

 

Sometimes even worse, they release the trailer for Cry Macho 40 days before the release date.

 

Cry Macho is expected to be a smaller movie.

[daftcat]

Got to wonder what WB takes away from The Suicide Squad's disappointing opening and what it means for Matrix 4 (if anything). Personally, I think a delay is looking increasingly imminent. 

 

Some food for thought:

• Brand perception: While nowhere near as maligned as the first Suicide Squad, The Matrix sequels weren't exactly critical darlings and Deadline speculates that brand perception might be playing a bigger role in the covid-era than it did before. In other words, audiences seem less willing to give a fallen IP a second chance when it comes to venturing out of the house. Only difference here is that the first film remains a landmark piece of cinema, so it may negate the effect somewhat. 
• Delta: One hopes that Delta will have peaked and begun its journey back to lower case thresholds by December, but that's far from a guarantee. The UK had been falling after its first wave of delta, but it's since begun to trickle back up in the past week. Hopefully with vaccinations, theatre attendance manages to hold (or even improve), but it remains a question mark.
• The HBO Max factor (day-and-date, no PVOD fee, rampant piracy): like Black Widow, I expect we'll see huge piracy numbers on TSS, only here I'm not sure the HBO Max subscription bump will be enough to offset cannibalization (not sure it was enough for Disney either, even with added PVOD revenue).
• An R-rating? If M4 follows in the footsteps of the original trilogy with an R-rating (which I personally doubt), it will further hamper its chances with younger audiences who will have an easier time subscribing to HBO Max or simply pirating the film (and I'm sure brand recognition is already fairly low in this age group given the 2 decade gap between instalments). 
• Critical reception: Unlike TSS, M4 is likely to be critically divisive. And despite the disappointing OW, I'm sure TSS benefitted at least somewhat from Gunn's involvement as well as the glowing reviews. I don't think we're likely to see that here (though there have been some positive rumblings on M4's quality, both on this site and across the web).

 

All said, I could see WB kicking this to next spring. My only hesitation is the implications on the HBO Max deal. There'd probably be a subscriber backlash that could have legal implications - not to mention the revised back-end deals already in place for Lana et all. 

 

On the plus side, there's the Reeves factor. He's seemingly one of the few actors left with the ability to draw in a crowd. And it is a nostalgic IP when all is said and done, despite the sequels less than sterling rep. 

It's a tough call. 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by daftcat

[lorddemaxus]

 

[lorddemaxus]

Trying to do a rewatch of The Matrix movies and the 35mm scan of the first film I watched just looks so beautiful. The bleached out look, the extensive film scratches, and the deeper contrast really adds this surreal quality that I think is missing from the blu-rays. It also really fits with the underground aesthetics of the movie. Wish I could watch the other two films like this. 

 

Also, I don't think I've seen a big-budget blockbuster this sincere in ages. Keanu Reeves can't act for shit but I still believe in everything he says. Just an awesome classic.

Edited August 9, 2021 by lorddemaxus

[ThomasNicole]

The new deal economy has also created headaches for studios like Warner Bros., whose decision to release its entire 2021 film slate on HBO Max and in theaters concurrently caused a talent revolt. Denzel Washington and Will Smith both earned $40 million for their respective WB titles “The Little Things” and “King Richard,” insiders tell Variety, to account for diminishing box office in light of streaming premieres. Keanu Reeves will be entitled to back-end payment on top of the $12 million to $14 million he earned for the upcoming “Matrix 4.” 

 

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/biggest-movie-star-salaries-daniel-craig-dwayne-johnson-1235043305/

Edited August 19, 2021 by ThomasNicole

[ThomasNicole]

I said it somewhere, one thing that will help WB to keep their lunatic HBO Max plan is that they already change the contract and paid everyone for it.

 

In Matrix case, Keanu received 12-14M for the movie itself + backdends because of HBO Max. This extends for the entire crew, so i think reversing they decision and taking the movie of day and date is a big headache and i'm always unsure if it's worthy. The movie is Rated R, the pandemic won't be gone by December, they could easily take the HBO Max release, spend more money with it and get a bad result at box office anyway, so it's very complicated even if this is the only movie they still have time to change it.

 

I'm hoping we'll be getting a trailer next month, i'm very curious about how this is going to look.

[Maggie]

20 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

I said it somewhere, one thing that will help WB to keep their lunatic HBO Max plan is that they already change the contract and paid everyone for it.

 

In Matrix case, Keanu received 12-14M for the movie itself + backdends because of HBO Max.

It must suck for those who have a pure theatrical release. I read that Cruise was paid 13M for Top Gun 2. That's little for a star of his stature and a sequel to one of the most successful movies ever. I'm sure he had backend, but now with the pandemic, Top Gun 2 will flop, so not much backend.

[EmpireCity]

4 hours ago, Maggie said:

It must suck for those who have a pure theatrical release. I read that Cruise was paid 13M for Top Gun 2. That's little for a star of his stature and a sequel to one of the most successful movies ever. I'm sure he had backend, but now with the pandemic, Top Gun 2 will flop, so not much backend.

 

Top Gun 2 is not going to flop.  

[Gavin Feng]

4 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Top Gun 2 is not going to flop.  

how much this movie is expected to make in pandemic or not? I saw so many predictions either very high or very low long ago.

[Chicago]

10 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Top Gun 2 is not going to flop.  

Of course it will. Tom Cruise is no longer a draw and its director hasn't the best of track records. This was flopping before the pandemic 

[Chicago]

6 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

how much this movie is expected to make in pandemic or not? I saw so many predictions either very high or very low long ago.

Nobody truly knows 

[Chicago]

4 hours ago, Maggie said:

It must suck for those who have a pure theatrical release. I read that Cruise was paid 13M for Top Gun 2. That's little for a star of his stature and a sequel to one of the most successful movies ever. I'm sure he had backend, but now with the pandemic, Top Gun 2 will flop, so not much backend.

I'm sure he will be ok

[EmpireCity]

5 minutes ago, Chicago said:

Of course it will. Tom Cruise is no longer a draw and its director hasn't the best of track records. This was flopping before the pandemic 

 

Can't tell if this is a troll or not.  

[ThomasNicole]

6 minutes ago, Chicago said:

Of course it will. Tom Cruise is no longer a draw and its director hasn't the best of track records. This was flopping before the pandemic 

There's strong rumours this movie is great tho. It was announced as part of the now cancelled Cannes 2020.

[EmpireCity]

Anyone who thinks Top Gun 2 is flopping is out of their minds.  Also, if you base this on the director, lol even more as it might as well have been directed by McQuarrie (and some of it was).  

 

Tom Cruise's last movie made $800m, so to even imply he isn't a draw is hilarious.  

 

Of course, that is if that post wasn't a troll.  

[Chicago]

10 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Can't tell if this is a troll or not.  

How? Edge of tomorrow was one of the best sci fi movie this decade and it still flopped. Oblivion, a film with the same director and strong trailers also flopped. Tom Cruise hasn't had the best of track records lately for anything outside Mission Impossible 

[Chicago]

13 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

Anyone who thinks Top Gun 2 is flopping is out of their minds.  Also, if you base this on the director, lol even more as it might as well have been directed by McQuarrie (and some of it was).  

 

Tom Cruise's last movie made $800m, so to even imply he isn't a draw is hilarious.  

 

Of course, that is if that post wasn't a troll.  

 

And how did Tom Cruise's other movies perform that weren't called Mission Impossible?

 

Its just my prediction, I've given my reason as to why, please don't label me a troll because my opinion differs to yours 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Chicago

[Eric Loves Rey]

Moderation

 

Not the Top Gun 2 thread. Please take it to the appropriate thread.

[EmpireCity]

2 minutes ago, Chicago said:

How? Edge of tomorrow was one of the best sci fi movie this decade and it still flopped. Oblivion, a film with the same director and strong trailers also flopped. Tom Cruise hasn't had the best of track records lately for anything outside Mission Impossible 

 

Edge of Tomorrow "flopped"?  It made nearly $400m over 7 years ago and is in no way a flop, especially as an original property.  

 

Oblivion made nearly $300m and was over 8 years ago and an original property.  

 

As you point out, Cruise is wildly successful with his franchise property Mission: Impossible with nearly $2.2b in box office in the last decade (and about to be over $3b in less than a year).  

 

This doesn't even mention the $400m he made on The Mummy.  

 

In what world is Tom Cruise still not a draw and in what world are these movies "flops"? 

[EmpireCity]

2 minutes ago, Chicago said:

 

And how did Tom Cruise's other movies perform that weren't called Mission Impossible?

 

Its just my prediction, I've given my reason as to why, please don't label me a troll because my opinion differs to yours 

 

Pretty damn well?