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[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

This is such a weird hypothetical scenario. It's very unlikely a local producer would try to distribute their films internationally just because one of their previous films becomes a hit internationally

LOL. That's what happen in market. Remember Dangal did $180M in China, the next Aamir film, Secret Superstar, Aamir himself distributed it to China, while earlier they just sold it for trinkets to local distributor.

 

Or just go for India. South Indian films don't release in North to Hindi audience. Baahubali changed that in big way, and now local South producer are going for self distribution of those films.

[Barnack]

25 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Well, can't answer those questions without trying.

It was common to try to release foreign movie (La Dolce Vita did really well in the USA box office in 1961 and so on) I think, like for giant budget 2d animated movie it seem that something audience taste pushed distributor choice.

 

Maybe it will have changed and they could make a comeback.

 

But take les Intouchables, 471 millions worldwide giant success absolutely everywhere, Weinstein gave it all you can reasonably do and it only did 13m domestic, he redid an American version good but clearly inferior with one of the best domestic draw in Kevin Hart, went over 100m domestic (and that was a post Weinstein scandal release), that your clients screaming loud and clear they want the American version.

[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Nah, extremely limited releases (to the point that I have to travel 1.5 hours to watch) aren't totally fine.

Well. Get 300 folks to watch those films and contact the distributor that him releasing the film at your place will worth to him, he will be more than willing to do so.

[charlie Jatinder]

3 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

And guess what, Thanks to WGU’s limited distribution - it won’t even come close to grossing USD1m in domestic theaters…

If it did well in those 59, it will surely go wider. WGU don't dislike money man. They know which film gonna get audience where. They gonna release it there.

[lorddemaxus]

1 minute ago, charlie Jatinder said:

LOL. That's what happen in market. Remember Dangal did $180M in China, the next Aamir film, Secret Superstar, Aamir himself distributed it to China, while earlier they just sold it for trinkets to local distributor.

 

Or just go for India. South Indian films don't release in North to Hindi audience. Baahubali changed that in big way, and now local South producer are going for self distribution of those films.

China and North India aren't the US. There's like a half-the-world distance between the US and these places and it's obviously way more expensive to distribute a film in the US than in somewhere like North India. 

[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

he redid an American version good but clearly inferior with one of the best domestic draw in Kevin Hart, went over 100m domestic (and that was a post Weinstein scandal release), that your clients screaming loud and clear they want the American version.

That's also real world thing. Why risk $10M on something that may do $30-40M when you can acquire remake rights in $5-10M, remake it American and do $100M+.

[lorddemaxus]

3 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Well. Get 300 folks to watch those films and contact the distributor that him releasing the film at your place will worth to him, he will be more than willing to do so.

These films get so little marketing and distribution that it's up to me to get these films decent distiribution? Thanks for proving my point I guess.

[Cap]

28 minutes ago, Arian1010 said:

but now the selling point of the SC for them is the 60-year-old actor who played the antagonist role. I even saw young Korean moviegoers on Twitter joked around about how they're gushing over Wenwu even though normally they aren't interested in old actors, especially someone who is as old as their dad like Leung. It went far to the point that one of the Korean television channels even mentioned it. As a superhero who played a major role in an action film, Shang Chi had more spectacular things to do than Wenwu, but it turns out most people are in awe of the lovesick widower villain.

 

TBH, and maybe this is just a Western Trope, but none of this is shocking.  Particularly for Lady Fandom.  The cliche of "everyone women wants a Bad Boy" plays out again and again in media.  It's not even shocking for the Marvel Fandom.  Look at how Fandom is OBSESSED with Bucky and Loki, "tragic figures", "misunderstood villains", etc, yet barely acknowledge Steve and Thor, who are just "boring" and dumb brutes (or warm bodies for their Tragic Faves to fuck).  

 

There's an old fandom term called "The Woobie": A "woobie" is a name for any type of characters who make you feel extremely sorry for them. Basically, the first thing you think to say when you see the woobie is: "Aw, poor baby!" Woobification of a character is a curious, audience-driven phenomenon, sometimes divorced from the character's canonical morality. And while it's technically a YMMV trope, it's hardly tough to spot the guy the writers intend them to be, considering all the bad stuff that tends to happen to them.

 

"Lovesick Widower Villain" is literally Lady Fandom Catnip.  

 

Also, never, ever, underestimate the power of a DILF.

[TigerPaw]

6 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

If it did well in those 59, it will surely go wider. WGU don't dislike money man. They know which film gonna get audience where. They gonna release it there.

Truth is - because it is only released in 59 theaters, marketing efforts or budget by WellGo is almost non existent and restricted only to online. 

like if you go to Donnie Yen’s Facebook page where he shared the trailer, you see North American audiences commenting asking when it will be released there… when it has already been released for a month. 
 

Those 59 theaters didn’t give it a lot of showtimes as well, and the locations of some of these theaters are really not accessible… And due to lack of marketing, even people staying near the theaters may not know the movie is out; most of these theaters doesn’t even have a poster of this movie which they are showing. Spoke to a few guys and that is the feedback which they have given me…

Edited September 7, 2021 by TigerPaw

[charlie Jatinder]

19 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

China and North India aren't the US. There's like a half-the-world distance between the US and these places and it's obviously way more expensive to distribute a film in the US than in somewhere like North India. 

LOL. WTF is this logic?

 

Film isn't gonna physically travel that distance.

 

The distance is cultural and language not the XYZ km. A South Indian film getting acceptance in North Indian is same as Dangal getting acceptance in China or Black in South Korea. Local south film didn't do ₹10cr in North and their remakes would be doing ₹200-300cr, which has now changed somewhat, and how it is happening? The way I told you above.

Edited September 7, 2021 by charlie Jatinder

[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

 like if you go to Donnie Yen’s Facebook page where he shared the trailer, you see North American audiences commenting asking when it will be released there… when it has already been released for a month. 

How many? 100? 200? 1000?

 

Releasing a film in one location cost $750-1.5k. Distributor don't hate money, get them audience they will release it.

 

Regarding marketing, its catch 22 situation. Will the marketing spend bring enough people to justify that market spend?

 

As for some real world example. Wandering Earth started with 34 locs, got acceptance, was given wider release to 125, went to gross $5.9M. Mermaid started with 35 went to 106.

 

The regular market size seems to be $1.5-2M, I think they can afford to go with 125 locs right away, but they are one who will have to spend money and know better.

 

One other thing come to mind, many of these films get buyout from Netflix. Sometimes these deal come with limiting of theatrical release, so could be something to do with that. Or simply distributor may think it's not worth releasing film somewhere because people are anyway gonna watch it on Netflix.

 

[charlie Jatinder]

@lorddemaxus getting a wider release was something that caught the limelight in 2017 for South Indian film. It peaked with Agnyaathavaasi releasing on 525 locs. Result?

 

The box office came on those regular locs, more than 300 of those 525 didn't gross $500.

 

And now they are back to 300 something release.

 

[charlie Jatinder]

7 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

One other thing come to mind, many of these films get buyout from Netflix. Sometimes these deal come with limiting of theatrical release, so could be something to do with that. Or simply distributor may think it's not worth releasing film somewhere because people are anyway gonna watch it on Netflix.

Seems like there's streaming deal which Well Go USA had for Raging Fire. Explains the limited theatrical then. @TigerPaw

 

 

Edited September 7, 2021 by charlie Jatinder

[Gamora]

28 minutes ago, Cap said:

 

TBH, and maybe this is just a Western Trope, but none of this is shocking.  Particularly for Lady Fandom.  The cliche of "everyone women wants a Bad Boy" plays out again and again in media.  It's not even shocking for the Marvel Fandom.  Look at how Fandom is OBSESSED with Bucky and Loki, "tragic figures", "misunderstood villains", etc, yet barely acknowledge Steve and Thor, who are just "boring" and dumb brutes (or warm bodies for their Tragic Faves to fuck).  

Don't forget Tony.

[lorddemaxus]

18 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

@lorddemaxus getting a wider release was something that caught the limelight in 2017 for South Indian film. It peaked with Agnyaathavaasi releasing on 525 locs. Result?

 

The box office came on those regular locs, more than 300 of those 525 didn't gross $500.

 

And now they are back to 300 something release.

 

This is the definition of cherry-picking. You're talking about some critically panned movie distributed by some studio called "LA Telugu" in the US. And I wasn't talking about Indian films in the first place (a market that cannot be compared to the HK and Chinese market considering how many stars and directors from the latter industries broke into Hollywood). 

13 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Seems like there's streaming deal which Well Go USA had for Raging Fire. Explains the limited theatrical then. @TigerPaw

 

 

All domestic studios have streaming deals to release their films on streaming services months later lol. You're grasping at straws here.

Edited September 7, 2021 by lorddemaxus

[Sam]

22 minutes ago, Cap said:

 

TBH, and maybe this is just a Western Trope, but none of this is shocking.  Particularly for Lady Fandom.  The cliche of "everyone women wants a Bad Boy" plays out again and again in media.  It's not even shocking for the Marvel Fandom.  Look at how Fandom is OBSESSED with Bucky and Loki, "tragic figures", "misunderstood villains", etc, yet barely acknowledge Steve and Thor, who are just "boring" and dumb brutes (or warm bodies for their Tragic Faves to fuck).  

 

There's an old fandom term called "The Woobie": A "woobie" is a name for any type of characters who make you feel extremely sorry for them. Basically, the first thing you think to say when you see the woobie is: "Aw, poor baby!" Woobification of a character is a curious, audience-driven phenomenon, sometimes divorced from the character's canonical morality. And while it's technically a YMMV trope, it's hardly tough to spot the guy the writers intend them to be, considering all the bad stuff that tends to happen to them.

 

"Lovesick Widower Villain" is literally Lady Fandom Catnip.  

 

Also, never, ever, underestimate the power of a DILF.

This is a sexy post. Your hand in marriage please. 
 

Tony Leung is not a nobody in the world of Asian cinema. He’s a known famous actor so the investment and interest already there before people even watch the movie. Of course, he is also handsome and incredibly charismatic. But another big factor, the biggest factor really, is the romantic aspect of his character. Asians love them romance, sprinkle in some angst and tragedy and we would be all over it regardless of age (the countless hours and tissue boxes my female family members spent on K-drama yearly would attest to that). It’s not at all a surprise. And definitely not a Western trope only either. 

[TigerPaw]

19 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Seems like there's streaming deal which Well Go USA had for Raging Fire. Explains the limited theatrical then. @TigerPaw

 

 

There is a streaming deal for all WGU’s distributed films..

it will be in theaters 2 - 3 months and then on streaming via HiyahTV which is WGU’s streamer (only cost $2.99 per month, not sure how much they are earning from that…)

 

this is similar to studio films where it plays exclusively in theaters for weeks before showing up on their streaming platforms… but issue is WGU is unable to distribute to more theaters in those theatrical-exclusive weeks..

[Mojoguy]

Still cant believe all the studios gave up on September.

 

Shang Chi is going to make some serious cash with zero competition for 4 weeks.

[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

but issue is WGU is unable to distribute to more theaters in those theatrical-exclusive weeks

But they have. 

 

If there is genuine feasible demand they will go for it.

[LVB]

I used to be obsessed with Martin Freeman. After the Johnlock debacle I swore I would never stan another celebrity, but here I am watching Tony Leung's entire filmography and editing GIFs. Help.