Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

[WeneedtotalkaboutKevin]

You can sure as hell make a movie out of the fact that Jimmy Boy keeps changing the release date of the blue people movie sequels.  It is one big glorified joke.

 

https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/avatar-sequel-announcements-timeline-james-cameron.html

 

January 7, 2010: Days after Avatar made $1 billion, Cameron announces that we’re getting a sequel. “Yes, there’ll be another,” he tells the crowd after a screening in Los Angeles.

 

January 14, 2010: Now he says there won’t just be another — there will be several more. ““I’ve had a story line in mind from the start — there are even scenes in Avatar that I kept in because they lead to the sequel,” he tells EW. “It just makes sense to think of it as a two or three film arc, in terms of the business plan.”

 

February 16, 2010: We’re not only getting several more trips to Pandora, but a book! “I told myself, if it made money, I’d write a book. There are things you can do in books that you can’t do with films,” Cameron says. Your middle-school librarian nods in agreement.

 

August 7, 2010: Now Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 will be filmed back-to-back. “We’re talking about that, that makes a lot of sense, given the nature of these productions. We can bank all the capture and then go back and do cameras,” he says. But really, he’s focused on the prequel novel: “I didn’t want to do some cheesy novelization,” he says, “where some hack comes in and makes shit up.”

 

March 7, 2010, an aside: Cameron loses the Oscar. (Later on, he’ll say that the Oscars don’t award his kinds of movies anymore, meaning “big, visual cinema.”)

 

April 21, 2010: The Avatar sequel, Cameron says, will dive deep (not into the history — that’s for the novel) into the ocean. “Part of my focus in the second film is in creating a different environment — a different setting within Pandora. And I’m going to be focusing on the ocean on Pandora, which will be equally rich and diverse and crazy and imaginative, but it just won’t be a rain forest,” he tells the Los Angeles Times.

 

October 27, 2010: Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 are definitely happening ASAP — he passed on Sony’s never-realized Cleopatra to work on them. Fox made a big donation to his environmental green fund to make sure the trilogy rises to the tippity top of his to-do list. Cameron is shooting for a December 2014 and December 2015 release.

 

May 7, 2012: Not just Avatar 2 and Avatar 3. Now James Cameron has anAvatar 4 in store, too. He says he’s Avatar only. Literally, he says this: “I’m not interested in developing anything. I’m in the Avatar business. Period. That’s it. I’m making Avatar 2, Avatar 3, maybe Avatar 4, and I’m not going to produce other people’s movies for them,” he tells the New York Times. He confirms it formally in August 2013.

 

December 2013: Avatar 2, Avatar 3, and Avatar 4 will shoot in New Zealand. Not sure when, but probably soon-ish? When you jot it down in your calendar, maybe use pencil or one of those fancy erasable pens they sell at Staples.

 

April 12, 2014: Cameron says they’re in preproduction! Go ahead and set those iCal alerts.

 

January 14, 2015: He says Avatar 2, Avatar 3, and Avatar 4 are delayed, but only for a couple years, ideally 2017. So it’s a little delay, not a big delay. If we’re using Google calendar by this point, adjust it accordingly.

 

April 28, 2015: James Cameron isn’t just giving us Avatar 2, Avatar 3, and Avatar 4. Did you think we’d get away without an Avatar 5? He and his writing team have come up with five whole freaking scripts. We’re getting Avatar 5, too.

 

January 1, 2016: He’s losing steam. How can he get it done? The Wrap reports that Avatar 2 has been “suspended indefinitely.”

 

April 14, 2016: “The next time I see you will be on Pandora,” Cameron tells a Comic Con audience. He’s back, baby! And this time, he’s promising a new Avatar nearly every other Christmas: Avatar 2 is slated for release on Christmas 2018, with Avatar 3 following on Christmas 2020, Avatar 4 on Christmas 2022, and Avatar 5 on Christmas 2023.

 

September 8, 2016: Sam Worthington is deep into his Christian movie stardom, Zoe Saldana is with Guardians of the Galaxy now, but Cameron is still hard at work on those Avatar movies. You’ll get them when you get them. Okay?!? “We haven’t moved that target yet, but we will if we need to,” Cameron says. “The important thing for me is not when the first one comes out but the cadence of the release pattern.”

 

April 22, 2017: Shady’s back, tell a friend: James Cameron has started production, with an adjusted timeline: Expect Avatar 2 on December 18, 2020; Avatar 3 on December 17, 2021; Avatar 4 on December 20, 2024; and Avatar 5 on December 19, 2025.

 

September 25, 2017: Seven years later, Cameron has started filming! Fox says the first Avatar sequel will be released December 18, 2020. Avatar 3comes a year later, and the last two are due December 2024 and 2025. The Avatar Sequels aren’t just about the destination (again, Pandora, in case you’ve forgotten in the interim). Avatar is about James Cameron’s journey.

 

May 7, 2019: It has only been 588 days since this extremely important timeline has been updated, and I have returned to offer critical news! (You think the Avatar sequels are your ally? You merely adopted the Avatarsequels. I was born into them, molded by them!)

In light of the Disney-Fox acquisition, the House of Mouse has released an updated — and exhaustive — release schedule for all of its new titles. “Four forthcoming Avatar films, expanding the vibrant world of Pandora, will release on the pre-Christmas weekend every other year beginning in 2021,” Disney says. We’re getting the sequel on December 17, 2021; Avatar 3 onDecember 22, 2023; Avatar 4 on December 19, 2025; and Avatar 5 on December 17, 2027. (Extremely optimistic of James Cam’ron to assume we will still be living on a habitable planet in 2027, frankly!) These movies may or may not be titled Avatar: The Way of Water, Avatar: The Seed Bearer, Avatar: The Tulkun Rider, and Avatar: The Quest for Eywa. Your move, Marvel.

Edited May 8, 2019 by WeneedtotalkaboutKevin
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[IronJimbo]

best post i've seen you do Kevin even if it's intention wasn't great

[IronJimbo]

5 minutes ago, AndyK said:

Avatar fans must be pretty pissed right now.

Yeah they must be

[Thomas Beck]

Kind of getting GoT vibes here. The books that is, not the TV-series.

 

But Disney is probably involved enough in what Cameron's doing not to make this accouncement without being confident that it's coming along, albeit slowly.

[honestbharani]

I love Terminator 1 and 2 and True Lies and I am in awe of the BO achievement of Titanic and Avatar even though I find both movies pretty bland and stupid and soul-less, but God is he a grade A dick or what?    I know the movie industry has a lot of self absorbed pricks but he must be of the top draw of the dicks that exist in Hollywood.    

[Sheldon Cr]

44 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

Yeah they must be

Lol considering it took 22 movies and 70 yrs of fan history and 10 yrs of inflation to beat jcs original film..lol

 

I think not. Also avatar2 isn't beat yet lol

[LaughingEvans]

It looks like Jim pushed the date back because he hopes for better exchange rates,in order to manage a decent 0.6EG or so

[JimiQ]

34 minutes ago, Sheldon Cr said:

Lol considering it took 22 movies and 70 yrs of fan history and 10 yrs of inflation to beat jcs original film..lol

 

I think not. Also avatar2 isn't beat yet lol

Avatar2 isn't made yet

[LaughingEvans]

40 minutes ago, Sheldon Cr said:

Lol considering it took 22 movies and 70 yrs of fan history and 10 yrs of inflation to beat jcs original film..lol

 

I think not. Also avatar2 isn't beat yet lol

 

As JC himself would say, these are excuses.

[IronJimbo]

3 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:

 

As JC himself would say, these are excuses.

Not really, records are made to be broken. Jim knows that all too well.

 

Took em' 11 years

 

bare in mind Jim smashed the previous higher grosser by 200% with titanic, then 150% with Avatar (250% excluding Titanic)

 

 

 

[TomCruiseTop]

1 hour ago, AndyK said:

Avatar fans must be pretty pissed right now.

As a Barca fan I'd prefer yesterday was a fever dream. 

[TimmyRiggins]

3 hours ago, Thomas Beck said:

Kind of getting GoT vibes here. The books that is, not the TV-series.

 

But Disney is probably involved enough in what Cameron's doing not to make this accouncement without being confident that it's coming along, albeit slowly.

The thing is here is that the performance capture is done for 2 and 3, along with bits of 4 and 5 AND Jon Landau posted photos of Jim on the live action sets. So, it's real, it's coming out, 4 and 5 are dated, all good. 

 

The good news about the delay is that maybe autostereoscopy will be ready in December 2021.

Edited May 8, 2019 by TimmyRiggins

[Pure Spirit]

THEORIES

 

1) This is the result of Disney trying to put the screws to Jim, giving him an "offer he couldn't refuse". Disney is so big, even if they don't own Avatar, they could have contracted some of the world's best VFX people/teams for other, more profitable ventures, and Jim threatened to move the release date, and then Disney said "try us" and Jim called their bluff (this kind of schoolyard stuff happens all the time, even at companies the size of Disney).

 

2) Jim put the screws to Disney, where Disney begged to keep the original release date and Jim wanted another year and used 2020 as bait to secure more funding, same way he secured more funding for Titanic and for Avatar by continually delaying them.

 

3) Nobody was playing games, Jim just realized he needed more time to make the movie and Disney said "sure".

 

I'd love to know the inside story here. Jim is always fighting suits to go way above and beyond what other filmmakers will. Similar production delays happened with Titanic and Avatar 1. I have no doubt ol' Jimbo is filming the most expensive movie ever made... again. $500 million? $600 million? 😄

 

Can a little bird at Disney or Lightstorm tell us the inside story? You know, as a piece of """fiction""" because you're under NDA.

[vovin]

7 hours ago, TimmyRiggins said:

The good news about the delay is that maybe autostereoscopy will be ready in December 2021.

 

Even without autostereoscopy Avatar 2 is going to be an improvement because of Dolby's new projectors with brighter lumen output. My biggest pet peeve with 3D is that the image is too dark, and now (depending on which theater you go to) that's not going to be an issue anymore. 
 

[SchumacherFTW]

9 hours ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

As a Barca fan I'd prefer yesterday was a fever dream. 

It was glorious to see, almost makes up for the pain I feel as a ferrari fan. 

[JimiQ]

48 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

THEORIES

 

1) This is the result of Disney trying to put the screws to Jim, giving him an "offer he couldn't refuse". Disney is so big, even if they don't own Avatar, they could have contracted some of the world's best VFX people/teams for other, more profitable ventures, and Jim threatened to move the release date, and then Disney said "try us" and Jim called their bluff (this kind of schoolyard stuff happens all the time, even at companies the size of Disney).

 

2) Jim put the screws to Disney, where Disney begged to keep the original release date and Jim wanted another year and used 2020 as bait to secure more funding, same way he secured more funding for Titanic and for Avatar by continually delaying them.

 

3) Nobody was playing games, Jim just realized he needed more time to make the movie and Disney said "sure".

 

I'd love to know the inside story here. Jim is always fighting suits to go way above and beyond what other filmmakers will. Similar production delays happened with Titanic and Avatar 1. I have no doubt ol' Jimbo is filming the most expensive movie ever made... again. $500 million? $600 million? 😄

 

Can a little bird at Disney or Lightstorm tell us the inside story? You know, as a piece of """fiction""" because you're under NDA.

Funny thing is - if he hadn't delayed at all and Avatar 2 hit theaters in 2014 Fox probably wouldn't be sold to Disney at all

[HouseOfTheSun]

10 hours ago, IronJimbo said:

Not really, records are made to be broken. Jim knows that all too well.

 

Took em' 11 years

 

bare in mind Jim smashed the previous higher grosser by 200% with titanic, then 150% with Avatar (250% excluding Titanic)

 

 

 

That’s why 2nd place now is such a phenomenal achievement! Jim gang needs to celebrate being 2nd!

Edited May 8, 2019 by HouseOfTheSun

[Pure Spirit]

28 minutes ago, JimiQ said:

Funny thing is - if he hadn't delayed at all and Avatar 2 hit theaters in 2014 Fox probably wouldn't be sold to Disney at all

Yeah. Alternatively, Cameron could've licensed Avatar and let other talented filmmakers take a crack at it, and gone to do his own new original IP and spend 12 years on that instead. I bet almost any blockbuster director would've jumped at the chance to make an Avatar sequel.

[TalismanRing]

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September 8, 2016: Sam Worthington is deep into his Christian movie stardom, Zoe Saldana is with Guardians of the Galaxy now, but Cameron is still hard at work on those Avatar movies. You’ll get them when you get them. Okay?!?

 

The shade!

[pepsa]

Well hopefully this movie comes out before I have kids