MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS | 10 NOV 2017 | Fox

[Captain Craig]

How many different Poirot novels have been adapted and released theatrically besides this and Nile? 

 

It does seem if handled correctly (true of any possible franchise) that there could be several adaptions done with this Poirot.

Even Langdon got 3 done and the last one Inferno was still fun if "by the numbers".

[Hades]

1 hour ago, ddddeeee said:

It's kinda funny that Hollywood has been sitting on this apparent goldmine for years.

Its one of the many reason why I don't want FOX to sell its soul to the devil (Disney or SONY) and just do 170 mill plus cinematic universe stuff forever. Its why we have different studios, to give us different varieties of movies.   

[aabattery]

10 hours ago, Sam said:

Yup. Agatha Christie is a big name in the detective/mystery genre.

 

For all the Sherlock Holmes adaptations, I don’t know why they don’t see the potential in Poirot or Ms. Marple series, especially toward the adult audience.

 

Guy Ritchie's Miss Marple.

[Sam]

17 minutes ago, aabattery said:

 

Guy Ritchie's Miss Marple.

[aabattery]

23 minutes ago, Sam said:

 

[Barnack]

10 hours ago, Captain Craig said:

How many different Poirot novels have been adapted and released theatrically besides this and Nile? 

 

It does seem if handled correctly (true of any possible franchise) that there could be several adaptions done with this Poirot.

Even Langdon got 3 done and the last one Inferno was still fun if "by the numbers".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Under_the_Sun_(1982_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appointment_with_Death_(film)

 

There was some older film made in the 30s but only one survived. (Lord Edgware Dies, Black Coffee and Alibi are lost)

[ddddeeee]

$237,484,111

 

It's such a huge success...

 

 

[a2k]

Just now, ddddeeee said:

$237,484,111

 

It's such a huge success...

 

 

OS itself is at 153m after a 23m weekend. So am guessing 200m OS is possible. 100m Dom is nearly a done deal imo.

~300m WW on a 55m prod budget.

[That One Girl]

4 minutes ago, ddddeeee said:

$237,484,111

 

It's such a huge success...

 

 

The power of 

Spoiler

killing off Johnny Depp in the first 30 minutes

 

[ecstasy]

I didn't really care for this one.

[Jonwo]

5 minutes ago, a2knet said:

OS itself is at 153m after a 23m weekend. So am guessing 200m OS is possible. 100m Dom is nearly a done deal imo.

~300m WW on a 55m prod budget.

OS alone means it's made a nice profit, domestic is just gravy. 

[4815162342]

9 minutes ago, ddddeeee said:

$237,484,111

 

It's such a huge success...

 

 

 

Interwar Period Detective Cinematic Universe incoming

[a2k]

5 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

OS alone means it's made a nice profit, domestic is just gravy. 

there's marketing to account for but yeah, with those big numbers it's doing, gonna be very profitable.

[Jonwo]

1 minute ago, a2knet said:

there's marketing to account for but yeah, with those big numbers it's doing, gonna be very profitable.

I'm glad that it's done well not only because I liked the movie but because these sort of films aren't made as much anyone and I think this proves there is an audience for mid budget fare.

[ecstasy]

12 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

I'm glad that it's done well not only because I liked the movie but because these sort of films aren't made as much anyone and I think this proves there is an audience for mid budget fare.

There's definitely an audience for it. And had I not seen the Sidney Lumet version and the tv version I would probably have liked this better than I did. The film is well made but I found it just dull.

Edited December 4, 2017 by ecstasy

[Noctis]

I don't really get why some don't like the film or find it so mediocre...it was enjoyable with great performances and it was so old-fashioned in its charm. 

[Barnack]

8 minutes ago, a2knet said:

OS itself is at 153m after a 23m weekend. So am guessing 200m OS is possible. 100m Dom is nearly a done deal imo.

~300m WW on a 55m prod budget.

Yup, doing 47m after a 23m should be possible, considering Japan and France are still too open.

 

Example of revenues from movie with the most similar box office performance:

Title	WorldWideBoxoffice	TOTAL REVENUE
22 JUMP STREET	$   331,333,876.00	$  288,020.00*
PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS THE (2006)	$   307,325,633.00	$  398,885.00
RESIDENT EVIL: AFTERLIFE	$   295,874,190.00	$  252,220.00
SALT	$   293,503,354.00	$  358,571.00
ELYSIUM	$   286,140,700.00	$  297,934.00
CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS 2	$   274,325,949.00	$  290,833.00
GROWN UPS (2010)	$   271,430,189.00	$  356,322.00
MICHAEL JACKSON'S THIS IS IT	$   261,183,588.00	$  351,146.00
GROWN UPS 2	$   246,984,278.00	$  272,767.00
Average:	$  285,344,639.67	$ 318,522.00

 

*Missing international TV, probably closer to 330m

 

Movie doing around 300m WW with a 33/66% type of split tended not so long ago to generate around 275m to 325m in revenues.

 

Example of total cost for movies with an around 55m budget and a world release (capt philips is probably a good comparable):

 

Title	PRODUCTION COSTS	Total cost
TALLADEGA NIGHTS	$          (74,875.00)	$  234,916.00
XXX: STATE OF THE UNION	$          (72,739.00)	$  186,505.00
EAT PRAY LOVE	$          (72,514.00)	$  225,622.00
YEAR ONE	$          (72,084.00)	$  161,391.00
SEVEN POUNDS	$          (71,340.00)	$  206,811.00
ZATHURA: A SPACE ADVENTURE	$          (70,501.00)	$  194,484.00
THAT'S MY BOY (2012)	$          (69,887.00)	$  138,729.00
22 JUMP STREET	$          (69,709.00)	$  203,802.00
STEP BROTHERS	$          (68,402.00)	$  185,375.00
MICHAEL JACKSON'S THIS IS IT	$          (66,268.00)	$  301,751.00
DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE MORGANS?	$          (64,407.00)	$  110,718.00
PRIEST (2011)	$          (64,242.00)	$  155,552.00
CAPTAIN PHILLIPS	$       (59,773.00)	$224,781.00
PIRATES! BAND OF MISFITS THE	$          (59,100.00)	$  166,830.00
BURLESQUE	$          (57,696.00)	$  159,934.00
RV	$          (57,449.00)	$  127,186.00
MONEYBALL (2011)	$          (55,307.00)	$  169,480.00
BOUNTY HUNTER THE (2010)	$          (55,142.00)	$  158,677.00
UNDERWORLD AWAKENING	$          (54,839.00)	$  152,617.00
RESIDENT EVIL: AFTERLIFE	$          (53,610.00)	$  189,940.00
HERE COMES THE BOOM	$          (52,966.00)	$  133,623.00
ACROSS THE UNIVERSE	$          (52,578.00)	$  102,285.00
PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS THE (2006)	$          (50,763.00)	$  307,991.00
LITTLE MAN	$          (46,067.00)	$  127,246.00
SEX TAPE	$          (45,715.00)	$  115,255.00
VANTAGE POINT	$          (45,167.00)	$  156,421.00
KARATE KID THE (2010)	$          (45,051.00)	$  316,009.00
Average:	$                                     (60,303.37)	$               181,627.07

 

 

Movie around that price tags getting big world release and star powers tended to cost around 175 to 235m total cost depending on people participation deal.

 

Living a lot of margin here.

[a2k]

4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Yup, doing 47m after a 23m should be possible, considering Japan and France are still too open.

 

Example of revenues from movie with the most similar box office performance:

Title	WorldWideBoxoffice	TOTAL REVENUE
22 JUMP STREET	$   331,333,876.00	$  288,020.00*
PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS THE (2006)	$   307,325,633.00	$  398,885.00
RESIDENT EVIL: AFTERLIFE	$   295,874,190.00	$  252,220.00
SALT	$   293,503,354.00	$  358,571.00
ELYSIUM	$   286,140,700.00	$  297,934.00
CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS 2	$   274,325,949.00	$  290,833.00
GROWN UPS (2010)	$   271,430,189.00	$  356,322.00
MICHAEL JACKSON'S THIS IS IT	$   261,183,588.00	$  351,146.00
GROWN UPS 2	$   246,984,278.00	$  272,767.00
Average:	$  285,344,639.67	$ 318,522.00

 

*Missing international TV, probably closer to 330m

 

Movie doing around 300m WW with a 33/66% type of split tended not so long ago to generate around 275m to 325m in revenues.

 

Example of total cost for movies with an around 55m budget and a world release (capt philips is probably a good comparable):

 

Title	PRODUCTION COSTS	Total cost
TALLADEGA NIGHTS	$          (74,875.00)	$  234,916.00
XXX: STATE OF THE UNION	$          (72,739.00)	$  186,505.00
EAT PRAY LOVE	$          (72,514.00)	$  225,622.00
YEAR ONE	$          (72,084.00)	$  161,391.00
SEVEN POUNDS	$          (71,340.00)	$  206,811.00
ZATHURA: A SPACE ADVENTURE	$          (70,501.00)	$  194,484.00
THAT'S MY BOY (2012)	$          (69,887.00)	$  138,729.00
22 JUMP STREET	$          (69,709.00)	$  203,802.00
STEP BROTHERS	$          (68,402.00)	$  185,375.00
MICHAEL JACKSON'S THIS IS IT	$          (66,268.00)	$  301,751.00
DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE MORGANS?	$          (64,407.00)	$  110,718.00
PRIEST (2011)	$          (64,242.00)	$  155,552.00
CAPTAIN PHILLIPS	$       (59,773.00)	$224,781.00
PIRATES! BAND OF MISFITS THE	$          (59,100.00)	$  166,830.00
BURLESQUE	$          (57,696.00)	$  159,934.00
RV	$          (57,449.00)	$  127,186.00
MONEYBALL (2011)	$          (55,307.00)	$  169,480.00
BOUNTY HUNTER THE (2010)	$          (55,142.00)	$  158,677.00
UNDERWORLD AWAKENING	$          (54,839.00)	$  152,617.00
RESIDENT EVIL: AFTERLIFE	$          (53,610.00)	$  189,940.00
HERE COMES THE BOOM	$          (52,966.00)	$  133,623.00
ACROSS THE UNIVERSE	$          (52,578.00)	$  102,285.00
PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS THE (2006)	$          (50,763.00)	$  307,991.00
LITTLE MAN	$          (46,067.00)	$  127,246.00
SEX TAPE	$          (45,715.00)	$  115,255.00
VANTAGE POINT	$          (45,167.00)	$  156,421.00
KARATE KID THE (2010)	$          (45,051.00)	$  316,009.00
Average:	$                                     (60,303.37)	$               181,627.07

 

 

Movie around that price tags getting big world release and star powers tended to cost around 175 to 235m total cost depending on people participation deal.

 

Living a lot of margin here.

@Barnack that's a great post. 

 

I was surprised that the total cost is that high for some of those movies (eg: Cap Phillips total budget = 4x the prod budget).

MJ's This is It, Karate Kid and Pursuit are exceptions with 300m+ cost in that list but at least the last two could be due to Smith possibly.

 

What do you guess MOTOE's total costs are. 4x55 (like Cap Phillips) is possible for 220m.

 

 

[Barnack]

5 minutes ago, a2knet said:

I was surprised that the total cost is that high for some of those movies (eg: Cap Phillips total budget = 4x the prod budget).

 

It is 3.76x is real budget, but yes close to 4x

 

Production cost is an average around 35% of the total cost, bigger proportion the higher the budget is, bigger the box office bigger the total cost will be (more bonus, more residual, longer theatrical run, studio spending more on award season/home release to reward the movie, etc...)

 

To give an idea of Captain philips cost breakdown:

 

Ranked by biggest spending:

DIRECT PRODUCTION COSTS (59,773)

DTH MARKETING (52,933)

ITH MARKETING (28,600)

PARTICIPATIONS (26,210)

RESIDUALS (8,370)

OVERHEAD (7,170)

 

Prints around 12m

theatrical releases Shipping 5.5m

Home video releases+ tv rekeases: 24m

 

That goes up quickly, almost 100m spent in marketings/awards stuff worldwide during that movie life.

 

Murder I would imagine will not spent on the award season like Captain Philips and probably had a smaller domestic marketing cost (smaller domestic run, already pre-built awareness being a franchise title), depending on how the book adaptation rights works and the above the line bonus, the total cost could be a bit smaller but really similar imo.

 

Like I said I would expect the total cost to be between $175m to $235m

 

[Hatebox]

Marketing costs for this film must have been insane. I can't remember the last non-sequel, non-SH movie that got so much promotion. Luckily it had a fairly low budget.