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[filmlover]

17 minutes ago, captainwondyful said:

One. Avengers: Endgame says hi 

 

Two. It’s called the movie business. Every production company and studios goal is to make money. Even the ones who make those Real Movies. Those Classic Movies. Don’t act like what Marvel does is any different the rest of the industry just because they are better at it. 

I feel like a lot of people here either don't grasp or haven't yet grasped that the entertainment industry is just like every other industry when you really boil it all down at the end of the day. I told a friend about this Spidey/MCU drama the other week and his basic response was along the lines of "sounds like show biz stuff" and really is he wrong? 

[Johnny Tran]

7 minutes ago, TMP said:

Just because DC has 2 back-to-back critical wins doesn't mean they also didn't pump out Aquaman - the epitome of dumb, popcorn film-making.

Who said anything about Aquaman?  But to your point,  Aquaman made over $1.1 billion at the box office, it was one of the highest grossing comic origins ever....  The Dark Knight trilogy wasn't long ago,  DC/WB can obviously make movies that end up making a ton of money..  

 

But with Joker they decided to go a different route with it and it will make money but it's rated R so it's going to probably take a little off the top but on the back end the executives will be at Oscar parties and yucking it up with Hollywood people who are astonished that a movie based on comic book characters achieve such high praise.  

 

MCU isn't interested in any of that apparently and they don't have to be,  their goal is money and more money.  They have achieved that. 

[JB33]

27 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Holy shit, I should have realised you were one of those kind of guys earlier. Makes sense why you have been supporting this movie since day one.

What's wrong with what he said? People are awful.

 

Also, what's wrong with people who support this movie?

[Barnack]

5 minutes ago, filmlover said:

I feel like a lot of people here either don't grasp or haven't yet grasped that the entertainment industry is just like every other industry when you really boil it all down at the end of the day

I doubt that the entertainment industry is really just like the main chain grocery store industry

 

 

 

During that interview he talk about how financing incentive work quite differently than a lot of case.

 

I doubt you have has much stories like those:

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/annapurna-larry-ellison-megan-ellison-vice-1202975648/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promise_(2016_film)

https://www.nfb.ca/

 

 

In the convenience store or floating floor industries. Maybe quite similar to those mining/IT venture capital business too.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2019 by Barnack

[TMP]

11 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

Who said anything about Aquaman?  But to your point,  Aquaman made over $1.1 billion at the box office, it was one of the highest grossing comic origins ever....  The Dark Knight trilogy wasn't long ago,  DC/WB can obviously make movies that end up making a ton of money..  

 

But with Joker they decided to go a different route with it and it will make money but it's rated R so it's going to probably take a little off the top but on the back end the executives will be at Oscar parties and yucking it up with Hollywood people who are astonished that a movie based on comic book characters achieve such high praise.  

 

MCU isn't interested in any of that apparently and they don't have to be,  their goal is money and more money.  They have achieved that. 

I used Aquaman to show that Joker's the outlier, not the norm. They're still making Aquaman 2, so DC is definitely producing dumb movies with the goal of money; arguably dumber than anything Marvel's done. 

[Marcos12]

[IronJimbo]

I think the real issue is that MCU are popcorn flicks so the fans get real defensive when a superhero movie that tries to be a good movie comes along.

 

MCU is shameless they don't even try

[Hades]

24 minutes ago, TMP said:

I used Aquaman to show that Joker's the outlier, not the norm. They're still making Aquaman 2, so DC is definitely producing dumb movies with the goal of money; arguably dumber than anything Marvel's done. 

Marvel had Stellan Skarsgard running around naked so the bar for dumbness is pretty high already....😏

[IronJimbo]

38 minutes ago, JB33 said:

What's wrong with what he said? People are awful.

 

Also, what's wrong with people who support this movie?

JBrent33, this is how he operates

 

Just acts morally superior and never says anything of substance, accept calling me a troll over and over of course (very important).

 

 

[JB33]

11 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

JBrent33, this is how he operates

 

Just acts morally superior and never says anything of substance, accept calling me a troll over and over of course (very important).

 

 

Rent free baby.

[WittyUsername]

1 hour ago, Firepower said:

I've been supporting this movie because the script was strong and it's a great story, I don't care about politics. But you can realise whatever you want, you've been shitting on this movie since day one without any reasonable arguments, I know you're one of those who cry about "incels" and "bad white people". I don't support Arthur's actions, neither this movie, even most of the critics say that it doesn't side with him. People haven't seen the movie, but they already make brainless conclusions based on nothing. You can easily say that people are awful these days without reading/watching Joker, twitter itself is a great example. The final movie probably did its job, so that's why the worst people in modern society are freaking out, they completely missed the point without even seeing the movie.

Making conclusions about movies based on nothing isn’t exactly a uniquely leftist thing to do. Did you miss all the discourse surrounding Captain Marvel?

[Johnny Tran]

1 hour ago, TMP said:

I used Aquaman to show that Joker's the outlier, not the norm. They're still making Aquaman 2, so DC is definitely producing dumb movies with the goal of money; arguably dumber than anything Marvel's done. 

Is Marvel producing anything that isn't dumb? 

[TMP]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

Is Marvel producing anything that isn't dumb? 

Endgame? Black Panther? Winter Soldier touched on NSA surveillance. Iron Man 3 was smart until the third act shat the bed incredibly hard with Guy Pearce breathing fire or whatever.

[Barnack]

20 minutes ago, TMP said:

Endgame? Black Panther? Winter Soldier touched on NSA surveillance. Iron Man 3 was smart until the third act shat the bed incredibly hard with Guy Pearce breathing fire or whatever.

There is a nuance between theme being present in a movie and what the movie said about it. Classic example would be using facism/nazi aesthetic for the villain to rapidly convey to the audience that they are the bad guys, show they inspire fear without necessarily having anything to say about it, same goes for religious symbolism being used.

 

 

The minute you make the NSA surveillance by a Nazi third Reich organisation space gun that will literally kill 10% of the population that are threat for the secret Nazi organisation you risk of dumbing it down all the nuance, moral dilemma and real life question/conclusion, turning it into an obvious "of course you must shut it down I do not even have to think 3 second about it" that do not raise any question in the audience (but not necessarily either).

 

Arguably Nolan version of the same theme in the SH genre showed how tempting using some surveillance without people permission thinking doing it for good would be, potential creating more interesting question.

 

Because yes from Black Panther, to Winter Soldier thematically it is not dumb at least and in general it is not particularly dumb in many ways it goes above average blockbuster complexity imo:

• It demand from it's audience to follow quite a bit of moving part from Avengers until End Game in that "main" story line to fully appreciate all of it, a little bit a la Game of Thrones.
• In End Game there is quite the complexity in term of multi world Quantum physic movie structure.
• Same goes for those Ant-Man movie using different world with different time rules, did 90s blockbuster in average went more complex than that story device wise ?

Edited September 3, 2019 by Barnack

[MrGlass2]

25 minutes ago, TMP said:

Endgame? Black Panther? Winter Soldier touched on NSA surveillance. Iron Man 3 was smart until the third act shat the bed incredibly hard with Guy Pearce breathing fire or whatever.

How is Aquaman "dumb" when Black Panther has a very similar story but dumber? The relative who has never been to the hidden kingdom somehow knows all the rules and is the one asking for a duel - then manages to win against the prince who should have trained for it his whole life.

[Johnny Tran]

35 minutes ago, TMP said:

Endgame? Black Panther? Winter Soldier touched on NSA surveillance. Iron Man 3 was smart until the third act shat the bed incredibly hard with Guy Pearce breathing fire or whatever.

Uhhhh yeah,  no.   None of those movies were "smart"       100%  popcorn. 

[TMP]

5 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

How is Aquaman "dumb" when Black Panther has a very similar story but dumber? The relative who has never been to the hidden kingdom somehow knows all the rules and is the one asking for a duel - then manages to win against the prince who should have trained for it his whole life.

Because Aquaman doesn't add anything to that basic premise, while Black Panther used it as a means to explore issues like colonialism, nationalism, and the African identity. I didn't even love Black Panther, but it at the very least it was about something. I know Aquaman has a lot of defenders on here, so I'll stop it there.

[TMP]

Just now, Johnny Tran said:

Uhhhh yeah,  no.   None of those movies were "smart"       100%  popcorn. 

They're not First Reformed, but I wouldn't call them brainless entertainment

[Barnack]

20 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

Uhhhh yeah,  no.   None of those movies were "smart"       100%  popcorn. 

Would need to define "smart", you can be 100% popcorn and still smart (quick-witted intelligence), Edge of Tomorrow/Jurassic Park/Back to the Future/Lord of the Rings/Casino Royal/End Game/Memento/The Matrix/Avatar/Inception/Edgar Wright stuff are pure 100% popcorn, but arguably still quite smart (it is not obvious what it mean when talking to a passive non-animated object like a movie, it is not like a movie will solve any problems or do something, people could mean different thing with that word).

Edited September 3, 2019 by Barnack

[MrGlass2]

5 minutes ago, TMP said:

Because Aquaman doesn't add anything to that basic premise, while Black Panther used it as a means to explore issues like colonialism, nationalism, and the African identity.

With the CIA agent as a good guy?

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I didn't even love Black Panther, but it at the very least it was about something.

Then you can say Aquaman was about ecology and racism - about as much as any of these blockbusters can be "about something".