Weekend thread | IT Floats again in its 4th weekend: 17.3M...Cruise and Kingsman fight it out for 2nd: 17.016 and 17.0

[The Panda]

5 hours ago, marveldcfox said:

I was so right when I said long time ago that Kings 2 would do less than Kings 1 but many here were saying 140+ HAHAHA

 

Jesus people don't understand pulse of the audience. Gone are the days that a sequel to a good movie will increase over the first one unless it was a phenomena or something. Even then there is no guarantee because you have to also see whether the first one peaked at the BO or not.

 

 

It depends on the type of hit too.  Kingsman was an counter-market action hit in an open market.  I don't think it stuck with the public conscious beyond a few online fans.

 

Add that with poor reception in a more crowded September (which by nature can have hits but can't support as many movies as say July) and a decrease makes sense.

 

It's still doing decently well, but we probably won't get Kingsman 3.

[John Marston]

Sucks for Kingsman. While it wasn't as good as the first it doesn't deserve to end here 

[YM!]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/27/box-office-why-so-many-animated-movies-have-done-so-poorly-in-2017/#2762547670fd

 

Now we can argue that Despicable Me 3 played to adults and kids on the strength of the popular predecessors or we can merely argue that Illumination is just a trusted babysitter brand that it’s the exception to the rule. But going forward, we may have to start looking at animated features in terms of their ability to not just entice the kids but also entice their parents in a world where a two-hour Netflix binge on episodes of LEGO Ninjago is a heck of a lot cheaper than a family trip to the multiplex. After all, staying home avoids the bazillions in concession purchases.

That so many animated brands are doing theatrical and TV at the same time doesn’t help. Why splurge (tickets, concessions, parking, etc.) for Kung Fu Panda 3 when you can watch Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness for free? What’s so exciting about a LEGO Ninjago movie when there’s a TV series, especially when the movie isn’t connected to the show? And if a given animated feature like Emoji Movie or Captain Underpants doesn’t appeal to adults, it faces a disadvantage in a marketplace where theatrical moviegoing is no longer the cheapest two-to-three-hour babysitter and kids can wait for DVD.

 

 

 

 

Mendelson brings up some good points for this. 

[a2k]

TD	YD	Title (Click to View)	Studio	Daily Gross	% +/- YD / LW		Theaters / Avg		Gross To-Date	Day
1	-	American Made	Uni.	$6,067,000	-	-	3,024	$2,006	$6,067,000	1
2	2	It	WB (NL)	$4,930,000	+197%	-46%	3,917	$1,259	$278,802,790	22
3	1	Kingsman: The Golden Circle	Fox	$4,850,000	+147%	-68%	4,038	$1,201	$54,551,588	8
4	4	The LEGO Ninjago Movie	WB	$2,700,000	+347%	-53%	4,047	$667	$26,256,065	8
5	-	Flatliners (2017)	Sony	$2,150,000	-	-	2,552	$842	$2,150,000	1
6	-	Battle of the Sexes	FoxS	$1,100,000	+3,125%	+590%	1,213	$907	$1,773,158	8
7	5	American Assassin	LGF	$936,000	+105%	-50%	3,020	$310	$29,484,581	15
8	7	Home Again	ORF	$530,706	+121%	-48%	2,370	$224	$23,876,271	22
9	-	Til Death Do Us Part	NN	$506,526	-	-	562	$901	$506,526	1
10	6	mother!	Par.	$440,000	+57%	-58%	1,840	$239	$15,300,846	15
11	-	A Question Of Faith	PFR	$370,000	-	-	661	$560	$370,000	1
12	-	Victoria and Abdul	Focus	$272,000	+1,709%	+387%	77	$3,532	$492,345	8
-	9	Stronger	RAtt.	$266,000	+121%	-49%	645	$412	$2,508,077	8
-	10	The Hitman's Bodyguard	LG/S	$196,000	+78%	-57%	1,119	$175	$74,141,128	43
-	-	Judwaa 2	FIP	$188,000	-	-	192	$979	$188,000	1
-	-	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony	$150,000	+189%	-47%	679	$221	$332,268,317	85
-	-	Brad's Status	Annapurna	$113,000	+95%	-65%	453	$249	$1,478,544	15
-	12	Dunkirk	WB	$90,000	+41%	-49%	401	$224	$186,640,949	71
-	-	Despicable Me 3	Uni.	$73,000	+269%	-33%	419	$174	$261,978,360	92
-	-	War for the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$36,000	+180%	-53%	204	$176	$146,353,659	78

[Mockingjay Raphael]

29 minutes ago, MrPink said:

 

Awful. Dead franchise

The world is bigger than America, Kingsman is posting strong increases almost everywhere OS, it may touch the total of the first movie WW which would be more than enough for a sequel. 

[John Marston]

Just now, Mockingjay Raphael said:

The world is bigger than America, Kingsman is posting strong increases almost everywhere OS, it may touch the total of the first movie WW which would be more than enough for a sequel. 

 

 

Agree that overseas box box office does matter. Hope Kingsman can still reach 400m worldwide 

[filmlover]

4 minutes ago, a2knet said:

TD	YD	Title (Click to View)	Studio	Daily Gross	% +/- YD / LW		Theaters / Avg		Gross To-Date	Day
1	-	American Made	Uni.	$6,067,000	-	-	3,024	$2,006	$6,067,000	1
2	2	It	WB (NL)	$4,930,000	+197%	-46%	3,917	$1,259	$278,802,790	22
3	1	Kingsman: The Golden Circle	Fox	$4,850,000	+147%	-68%	4,038	$1,201	$54,551,588	8
4	4	The LEGO Ninjago Movie	WB	$2,700,000	+347%	-53%	4,047	$667	$26,256,065	8
5	-	Flatliners (2017)	Sony	$2,150,000	-	-	2,552	$842	$2,150,000	1
6	-	Battle of the Sexes	FoxS	$1,100,000	+3,125%	+590%	1,213	$907	$1,773,158	8
7	5	American Assassin	LGF	$936,000	+105%	-50%	3,020	$310	$29,484,581	15
8	7	Home Again	ORF	$530,706	+121%	-48%	2,370	$224	$23,876,271	22
9	-	Til Death Do Us Part	NN	$506,526	-	-	562	$901	$506,526	1
10	6	mother!	Par.	$440,000	+57%	-58%	1,840	$239	$15,300,846	15
11	-	A Question Of Faith	PFR	$370,000	-	-	661	$560	$370,000	1
12	-	Victoria and Abdul	Focus	$272,000	+1,709%	+387%	77	$3,532	$492,345	8
-	9	Stronger	RAtt.	$266,000	+121%	-49%	645	$412	$2,508,077	8
-	10	The Hitman's Bodyguard	LG/S	$196,000	+78%	-57%	1,119	$175	$74,141,128	43
-	-	Judwaa 2	FIP	$188,000	-	-	192	$979	$188,000	1
-	-	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony	$150,000	+189%	-47%	679	$221	$332,268,317	85
-	-	Brad's Status	Annapurna	$113,000	+95%	-65%	453	$249	$1,478,544	15
-	12	Dunkirk	WB	$90,000	+41%	-49%	401	$224	$186,640,949	71
-	-	Despicable Me 3	Uni.	$73,000	+269%	-33%	419	$174	$261,978,360	92
-	-	War for the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$36,000	+180%	-53%	204	$176	$146,353,659	78

Next week is gonna see some brutal theater drops between three releases opening in over 2,500 theaters (and Blade Runner sure to get multiple bookings due to its running time).

[TalismanRing]

They just can't be bothered to report Friend Request #s  

[TwoMisfits]

17 minutes ago, YourMother said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/27/box-office-why-so-many-animated-movies-have-done-so-poorly-in-2017/#2762547670fd

 

Now we can argue that Despicable Me 3 played to adults and kids on the strength of the popular predecessors or we can merely argue that Illumination is just a trusted babysitter brand that it’s the exception to the rule. But going forward, we may have to start looking at animated features in terms of their ability to not just entice the kids but also entice their parents in a world where a two-hour Netflix binge on episodes of LEGO Ninjago is a heck of a lot cheaper than a family trip to the multiplex. After all, staying home avoids the bazillions in concession purchases.

That so many animated brands are doing theatrical and TV at the same time doesn’t help. Why splurge (tickets, concessions, parking, etc.) for Kung Fu Panda 3 when you can watch Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness for free? What’s so exciting about a LEGO Ninjago movie when there’s a TV series, especially when the movie isn’t connected to the show? And if a given animated feature like Emoji Movie or Captain Underpants doesn’t appeal to adults, it faces a disadvantage in a marketplace where theatrical moviegoing is no longer the cheapest two-to-three-hour babysitter and kids can wait for DVD.

 

 

 

 

Mendelson brings up some good points for this. 

Nah - he stole our posts from this board this week:)...Good on him for picking the good ones WrathofHan and I posted, but I think I read this whole thing between the 2 of us 5-7 days ago:)...

 

EDIT TO ADD: And an extra problem for these movies is that Moviepass doesn't work for them - families won't have 4-6 phones to use for tickets, nor do they have time or ability to wait in line 4-6 times, nor can they wait to grab seats at theater if they might all be separated...so these are all priced like the biggest blockbusters, no matter when they play, vs now what Moviepass provides for all lesser teen-to-adult focused movies...they need a different way to price differentiate to get folks in, like the Atom $2 tickets for MLP this week...

Edited September 30, 2017 by TwoMisfits

[Mockingjay Raphael]

24 minutes ago, a2knet said:

BoxOfficeReport.com‏ @BORReport  21s21 seconds ago

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Flatliners grossed an estimated $2.15M on Friday.

 

After A:C and IT it's been Mother! (budget 30m), Friend Request (budget 10m) and Flatliners (budget 19m). Horror is not 'easy' I guess.

Horror IS an easy genre when you don’t go over-budget, if these two movies (Mother is not Horror) had the same budget as standard Horror movies (around $3m-$5m), none of them would be considered flops, despite the low B.O, but if you make a shit movie on a ridiculously high $19m budget (more than Annabelle: Creation that has a big brand behind it), then you’re asking for trouble.

[MrPink]

8 minutes ago, Mockingjay Raphael said:

The world is bigger than America, Kingsman is posting strong increases almost everywhere OS, it may touch the total of the first movie WW which would be more than enough for a sequel. 

 

I'm aware, the problem is that I think the 3rd film is gonna see drastic decreases in most places. Forward momentum is a thing, and it only goes so far.  There isn't going to be any of the same kind of goodwill going into the next one.

 

Just imagine what happened to Apes and the 3rd, except the 2nd film's gross wasn't that big to begin with.

Edited September 30, 2017 by MrPink

[filmlover]

Victoria & Abdul is doing pretty well in limited release. Could reach about $10M total if it expands well. Stronger is most likely gonna miss $5M total but I doubt it'll hurt Gyllenhaal's nomination chances.

[Mockingjay Raphael]

5 minutes ago, MrPink said:

 

I'm aware, the problem is that I think the 3rd film is gonna see drastic decreases in most places. Forward momentum is a thing, and it only goes so far.  There isn't going to be any of the same kind of goodwill going into the next one.

I don’t think that the WOM is bad, mixed maybe, but not bad, if they manage to bring down the budget to the same level of the first one, a third movie could make $300m WW on a $80m budget, which would be just fine, IMO. 

[TalismanRing]

7 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Victoria & Abdul is doing pretty well in limited release. Could reach about $10M total if it expands well. Stronger is most likely gonna miss $5M total but I doubt it'll hurt Gyllenhaal's nomination chances.

Judi Dench - her power.   Her movies tend to have legs.  I think it could do more than $10m - maybe even pass Zookeeper for Focus especially if Dench gets a nom.

 

Maslany seems to be getting more buzz for Stronger than Jake and Best Actor is usually very competitive.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2017 by TalismanRing

[YM!]

20 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

Nah - he stole our posts from this board this week:)...Good on him for picking the good ones WrathofHan and I posted, but I think I read this whole thing between the 2 of us 5-7 days ago:)...

 

EDIT TO ADD: And an extra problem for these movies is that Moviepass doesn't work for them - families won't have 4-6 phones to use for tickets, nor do they have time or ability to wait in line 4-6 times, nor can they wait to grab seats at theater if they might all be separated...so these are all priced like the biggest blockbusters, no matter when they play, vs now what Moviepass provides for all lesser teen-to-adult focused movies...they need a different way to price differentiate to get folks in, like the Atom $2 tickets for MLP this week...

Dragon 3 is probably fucked then. They have a five season tv show on Netflix. Lego 2, HT3 and Animated Spider-Man might be in trouble too.

Edited September 30, 2017 by YourMother

[filmlover]

7 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Judi Dench - her power.   Her movies tend to have legs.

 

Maslany seems to be getting more buzz for Stronger than Jake and Best Actor is usually very competitive.

I saw Stronger last night and with the way the Best Actor race is shaping up (Last Flag Flying proving to be a semi-dud has really made both it and Supporting Actor less crowded), I'll be very surprised if he misses with how demanding (both physically and emotionally - a SAG nomination is all but guaranteed) his performance is, low box office and September release be damned. Besides, Best Actor usually gravitates towards actors who are in Best Picture nominees, and the only ones from potential BP nominees this year so far in the category are Gary Oldman and Timothee Chalamet (and I guess Tom Hanks, since everyone expects The Post to be a top contender).

Edited September 30, 2017 by filmlover

[MrPink]

9 minutes ago, Mockingjay Raphael said:

I don’t think that the WOM is bad, mixed maybe, but not bad, if they manage to bring down the budget to the same level of the first one, a third movie could make $300m WW on a $80m budget, which would be just fine, IMO. 

 

I agree that WOM isn't bad, more mixed but regardless, a general sense of apathy doesn't bode well for the future. Genuinely, I'd like to see another stab at it and see if they can tone down some of the excess, but I'm getting increasingly skeptical. 

[Damianport1]

Best Actor actually usually is not competitive. At least not lately. And this year is just all time weak

[Cmasterclay]

I enjoyed Kingsman 1 but WOM on this one is so bleh I'm not even seeing it. Even the kind of friends who are usually "wow, one of the best movies I can remember!!" after every blockbuster (you know the type) are very ehhhhhh on it.

 

Also, better than expected for American Made. Considering the older skew I can see it hitting 18/55+, which ain't terrible.

[grey ghost]

My body is ready for Blade Runner's OW.