Weekend thread | IT Floats again in its 4th weekend: 17.3M...Cruise and Kingsman fight it out for 2nd: 17.016 and 17.0

[Jonwo]

32 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Victoria & Abdul is doing pretty well in limited release. Could reach about $10M total if it expands well. Stronger is most likely gonna miss $5M total but I doubt it'll hurt Gyllenhaal's nomination chances.

I think Victoria and Abdul could do more than $10m, it’s the sort of gentle British film that is more of a midweek player than a weekend player

[TalismanRing]

 

http://pro.boxoffice.com/early-weekend-estimates-american-made-kingsman-golden-circle-it-flatliners/

 

Early weekend estimates are below.

WIDE (1000+)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	It (2017)	$16,200,000	-46%	3,917	-90	$4,136	$290,072,790	4	Warner Bros. / New Line
2	Kingsman: The Golden Circle	$16,100,000	-59%	4,038	35	$3,987	$65,801,588	2	Fox
3	American Made	$16,000,000	—	3,024	—	$5,291	$16,000,000	1	Universal
4	The LEGO Ninjago Movie	$11,900,000	-42%	4,047	0	$2,940	$35,456,065	2	Warner Bros.
5	Flatliners	$5,700,000	—	2,552	—	$2,234	$5,700,000	1	Sony Pictures
6	Battle of the Sexes	$3,300,000	540%	1,213	1192	$2,721	$3,973,158	2	Fox Searchlight
7	American Assassin	$3,200,000	-49%	3,020	-134	$1,060	$31,748,581	3	CBS Films / Lionsgate
8	Home Again	$1,700,000	-47%	2,370	-315	$717	$25,125,565	4	Open Road
9	mother!	$1,400,000	-57%	1,840	-528	$761	$16,260,846	3	Paramount
10	Friend Request	$725,000	-64%	2,081	-492	$348	$3,407,958	2	Entertainment Studios Motion Pictures
11	The Hitman’s Bodyguard	$685,000	-57%	1,119	-918	$612	$74,630,128	7	Lionsgate / Summit

LIMITED (100 — 999)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	‘Til Death Do Us Part	$1,300,000	—	562	—	$2,313	$1,300,000	1	Novus Content
2	A Question Of Faith	$1,000,000	—	661	—	$1,513	$1,000,000	1	Pure Flix Entertainment
3	Stronger	$840,000	-48%	645	71	$1,302	$3,082,077	2	Lionsgate/Roadside Attractions
4	Judwaa 2	$585,000	—	192	—	$3,047	$585,000	1	FIP
5	Spider-Man: Homecoming	$560,000	-47%	679	-327	$825	$332,678,317	13	Sony / Columbia
6	Brad’s Status	$360,000	-62%	453	0	$795	$1,725,544	3	Amazon Studios / Annapurna Pictures
7	Despicable Me 3	$340,000	-33%	419	-120	$811	$262,245,360	14	Universal
8	Dunkirk	$295,000	-49%	401	-277	$736	$186,845,949	11	Warner Bros.
9	War for the Planet of the Apes	$132,000	-50%	204	-102	$647	$146,449,659	12	Fox
10	The Glass Castle	$55,000	-52%	136	-83	$404	$17,152,194	8	LionsgateLionsgate

PLATFORM (1 — 99)

#	TITLE	WEEKEND		LOCATIONS		AVG.	TOTAL	WKS.	DIST.
1	Victoria & Abdul	$770,000	385%	77	73	$10,000	$990,345	2	Focus Features
2	Cars 3	$50,000	-35%	88	-26	$568	$152,472,133	16	Disney
3	The Big Sick	$40,000	-62%	81	-41	$494	$42,783,469	15	Lionsgate
4	Hazlo Como Hombre	$33,000	-38%	68	18	$485	$2,518,525	5	Lionsgate / Pantelion
5	Because Of Grácia	$1,400	—	7	—	$200	$1,400	3	ArtAffects Entertainment

[MCKillswitch123]

Wow, BRUTAL drop for Kingsman from Fri to Fri. Wom seems really meh on it, it's probably not gonna hit 100M anymore. Who the hell knew. This movie was championed to be the September record breaker (more so than even It many months ago), and now here it is.

 

Oh well. American Made did have a nice rally up from estimates (and an OD slightly stronger than American Assassin, which dropped on Saturday). With the really good wom potentially kicking, I can see it grossing upwards of 7M on Saturday and around 17-18M. It can actually be the #1 film of the weekend, which is really cool, even if it is one of the lowest Cruise openers in years.

[Webslinger]

Looks like American Made should be able to win the weekend, though It and Kingsman are still within close enough range to challenge it.

 

I'm not surprised that Kingsman dropped so hard. I enjoyed it more than I didn't (B-), but given that the premise, cast, and trailers were all pointing toward something that had the potential to be at least as fun as the first, it's hard to give it a really enthusiastic recommendation.

[TwoMisfits]

21 minutes ago, YourMother said:

Dragon 3 is probably fucked then. They have a five season tv show on Netflix. Lego 2, HT3 and Animated Spider-Man might be in trouble too.

I think "managing box office expectations and budgets" and "providing discounted tickets to fams" will be the path to success for all of those movies...

 

Moviepass's press (even if not its execution) actually is a bigger problem for these movies, even more than Netflix, b/c fams will ask why they are paying $12/ticket for their kid for 1 movie when all these other folks get unlimited movies for a month for $10.  So, the press the deal got is not helpful...no one ever wants to feel like they are missing the deal...and Moviepass, the way it's set up and executed, is pretty much a family-excluded deal.  I mean, how long did Blockbuster stay around when folks realized they were getting charged $5 for one movie rental when Netflix would send them unlimited rentals for $8, and they didn't even need to leave their house?  

 

Combine that kinda parent "missing out and paying full price" with a lackluster slate of fall movies for kids, and it's not a good combo going forward, especially for movies fully available on tv in seasons form...

 

If these movies want to hit, they are gonna need BOGO deals or better to woo the family audience in...or families will just choose the movies parents know they will also like (like Star Wars and JL)...

[Jonwo]

@TwoMisfits I don’t think deals for families movies are the way to combat underperforming films. Maybe studios just to need to put more effort into their animated films. 

[baumer]

10 minutes ago, Webslinger said:

Looks like American Made should be able to win the weekend, though It and Kingsman are still within close enough range to challenge it.

 

I'm not surprised that Kingsman dropped so hard. I enjoyed it more than I didn't (B-), but given that the premise, cast, and trailers were all pointing toward something that had the potential to be at least as fun as the first, it's hard to give it a really enthusiastic recommendation.

 

American made is probably going to finish third for the weekend. It's not going to have a big bump today and certainly not nearly big enough of a jump to overtake it or Kingsman.

[YM!]

5 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

I think "managing box office expectations and budgets" and "providing discounted tickets to fams" will be the path to success for all of those movies...

 

Moviepass's press (even if not its execution) actually is a bigger problem for these movies, even more than Netflix, b/c fams will ask why they are paying $12/ticket for their kid for 1 movie when all these other folks get unlimited movies for a month for $10.  So, the press the deal got is not helpful...no one ever wants to feel like they are missing the deal...and Moviepass, the way it's set up and executed, is pretty much a family-excluded deal.  I mean, how long did Blockbuster stay around when folks realized they were getting charged $5 for one movie rental when Netflix would send them unlimited rentals for $8, and they didn't even need to leave their house?  

 

Combine that kinda parent "missing out and paying full price" with a lackluster slate of fall movies for kids, and it's not a good combo going forward, especially for movies fully available on tv in seasons form...

 

If these movies want to hit, they are gonna need BOGO deals or better to woo the family audience in...or families will just choose the movies parents know they will also like (like Star Wars and JL)...

It's not like animation is going to be totally screwed, Disney and Universal basically have all the heavy hitters and will be fine for years to come. Besides I don't think discount deals provide a major boost to box office either. 

 

Animated films with TV show presence or been somewhat seen before like TTG, Lego 2, Dragon 3, Croods 2 (which could have a big drop due to the 7 year wait), Spongebob 3 (again also thinking drop since they used the CGI element before) and Animated Spider-Man need a new angle to stay fresh and to draw in adults. For example, TTG could make it a crossover with the older Teen Titans and Lego 2 could take advantage of their shared universe and bring in Robin, Batgirl, and maybe a Ninjago character or two and first and foremost be a good movie.

[filmlover]

2 minutes ago, Stutterng baumer Denbrough said:

 

American made is probably going to finish third for the weekend. It's not going to have a big bump today and certainly not nearly big enough of a jump to overtake it or Kingsman.

American Made will probably stay flat from Friday with previews included, at least. Have to imagine it's skewing older for the most part.

[YM!]

6 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

@TwoMisfits I don’t think deals for families movies are the way to combat underperforming films. Maybe studios just to need to put more effort into their animated films. 

Agreed. However in the future I think animated movies with TV presence might need to have a hook to be seen on the big screen as well as being good.

[Cmasterclay]

Honestly AM had a pretty solid previews to OD ratio and is probably skewing pretty old given Cruise's fanbase and the subject matter. I can see it hitting 7m today for about a 17m opening weekend in number one.

 

Also, small sample size, but Blade Runner ain't selling shit around me in any format. I'm very much excited for it and I think it should be good for 40-55, but I ain't quite feeling these above Gravity/60m+ predictions yet. I'd go with a Mad Max run OW/DOM right now.

[Jonwo]

2 minutes ago, YourMother said:

Agreed. However in the future I think animated movies with TV presence might need to have a hook to be seen on the big screen as well as being good.

Didn’t they always need a hook? Maybe the solution is not to have a TV series while the sequels are being made.

[WrathOfHan]

1 minute ago, Cmasterclay said:

Honestly AM had a pretty solid previews to OD ratio and is probably skewing pretty old given Cruise's fanbase and the subject matter. I can see it hitting 7m today for about a 17m opening weekend in number one.

 

Also, small sample size, but Blade Runner ain't selling shit around me in any format. I'm very much excited for it and I think it should be good for 40-55, but I ain't quite feeling these above Gravity/60m+ predictions yet. I'd go with a Mad Max run OW/DOM right now.

Same here. MLP has actually sold more tickets than BR on Thursday night here  

[TwoMisfits]

5 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

@TwoMisfits I don’t think deals for families movies are the way to combat underperforming films. Maybe studios just to need to put more effort into their animated films. 

No matter how much effort they put in, you can't change the going rate of $50+ for 4 tickets without a deal.  And most families will not pay that number anymore - the 2 "big" animated movies of the year, DM3 and Lego Bats, both had huge BOGO deals run for weeks...in addition to DM3 having free ticket deals on DVDs, on food packages, etc, etc...

 

Moviepass is there to help the "non blockbuster" adult films providing them with a more reasonable price...but it will also "reprice" the value of non-blockbuster animated (and really, more specifically child-focused movies whether animated or live action), as much as those movies...and that's not to animated's benefit...

 

And maybe it won't be this year or next for the full effect to happen...it took Netflix 14 years (from 1997 to 2011) to fully put BB out of business, although BB's struggle started in the early 2000s once Netflix had shaken out the bugs and gotten press and gotten popular...

  

[YM!]

4 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

Didn’t they always need a hook? Maybe the solution is not to have a TV series while the sequels are being made.

That too. I also meant things like TTG, Animated Spider-Man and Spongebob 3 as well.

Edited September 30, 2017 by YourMother

[YM!]

3 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

- the 2 "big" animated movies of the year, DM3 and Lego Bats, both had huge BOGO deals run for weeks...in addition to DM3 having free ticket deals on DVDs, on food packages, etc, etc...

BOGO didn't help Apes and numerous other movies before it and $2 tickets won't help Pony.

 

Still, almost every major animated movie has had free or reduced ticket deals on DVD and food packages. Emoji Movie had free tickets with Happy Meals.

[tawasal]

a lot of movies failing in the boxoffice this year.

[FantasticBeasts]

IT should get this!!!

[The Bee]

Geaux IT! 

[Mockingjay Raphael]

Lovely to see IT going back to the top again, I don't think it has ever happened to a Horror movie before.