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The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other

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8 minutes ago, 21C said:

I was talking reviews, not box office. Box Office wise it'll end up somewhere between Justice League 2017 and The Batman. 

idk, the praise so far for this seems a lot stronger than Strange 2

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3 hours ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again...the fatal blows for the DCEU were before Snyder even cried Action for the first time. 

 

The seeds of DC's disaster were in its greatest success.

 

Christopher Nolan captured zeitgeist lightning in a bottle. He did it via a distinct and unique sleight of hand that he got away with ONCE. For one glorious moment he framed a movie and positioned it as it if was as gritty as a crime drama (with all the levity in genre that comes with) while maintaining all the tropes and blows of a superhero movie. It wasn't...it (ie the crime drama element/supposed realism) was all a cheat and the logic of The Dark Knight is as cartoonish as any superhero movie. But in that moment, and because of the Joker who everyone has good charity towards at he worst of times - never mind when he's performed by a loved actor who has just passed away. It was massive. 

 

It was perfect for that moment. And being done once. Even its own sequel didn't really get away with it anything like as much.

 

BUT WB in their setup for the DCEU was absolutely convinced that they could keep lightning in that bottle. That it could be replicated. They even convinced themselves it could be replicated when their Lord and Master Christopher Nolan made it abundantly clear that he was absolutely done with superhero movies. They convinced him to put his name as a sort of producer and/or creative consultant, even though he'd obviously be neither. And they got a guy who if you squinted *sort of* had similar sensibilities to Nolan.

 

DCEU was broken from the start because it was never the original "DCEU", nor was it even "Zach Snyder presents the DCEU". It was "Warner Brothers Presents CHRISTOPHER NOLAN'S DCEU!!! (((as interpreted by Zach Snyder because we can't convince Nolan to have anything to do with it)))"

 

THE DCEU was haunted by Christopher Nolan the entire time. It's preposterously ignored now how much Nolan was used in marketing in the early phrases of the DCEU and when Man of Steel came out.

 

Warner Brothers were absolutely convinced that "gritty, serious, po-faced and seemingly grounded in reality" could work in an extended franchise whose world is one of the most fantastical imaginable. Because it worked once.

The Dark Knight Rises wasn’t trying to be a gritty crime drama like its predecessor. It was basically a James Bond movie starring Batman. 

 

As for the origins of the DCEU, Nolan and Goyer were actually the ones who pitched the initial concept for Man of Steel. it wasn’t something they begged him to put his name on. He was the one who proposed it, and he had a direct hand in hiring Zack Snyder for the project. 

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7 minutes ago, John Marston said:

Tracking for 75 million opening

 

 

 

https://www.thewrap.com/the-flash-dc-box-office-predictions-opening/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking_news_7271797

 

 

 

 

 

 

it says in the article that rival studios expect to see an increase as the opening grows closer.  How much of an increase?  I don't know..

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7 hours ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again...the fatal blows for the DCEU were before Snyder even cried Action for the first time. 

 

The seeds of DC's disaster were in its greatest success.

 

Christopher Nolan captured zeitgeist lightning in a bottle. He did it via a distinct and unique sleight of hand that he got away with ONCE. For one glorious moment he framed a movie and positioned it as it if was as gritty as a crime drama (with all the levity in genre that comes with) while maintaining all the tropes and blows of a superhero movie. It wasn't...it (ie the crime drama element/supposed realism) was all a cheat and the logic of The Dark Knight is as cartoonish as any superhero movie. But in that moment, and because of the Joker who everyone has good charity towards at he worst of times - never mind when he's performed by a loved actor who has just passed away. It was massive. 

 

It was perfect for that moment. And being done once. Even its own sequel didn't really get away with it anything like as much.

 

BUT WB in their setup for the DCEU was absolutely convinced that they could keep lightning in that bottle. That it could be replicated. They even convinced themselves it could be replicated when their Lord and Master Christopher Nolan made it abundantly clear that he was absolutely done with superhero movies. They convinced him to put his name as a sort of producer and/or creative consultant, even though he'd obviously be neither. And they got a guy who if you squinted *sort of* had similar sensibilities to Nolan.

 

DCEU was broken from the start because it was never the original "DCEU", nor was it even "Zach Snyder presents the DCEU". It was "Warner Brothers Presents CHRISTOPHER NOLAN'S DCEU!!! (((as interpreted by Zach Snyder because we can't convince Nolan to have anything to do with it)))"

 

THE DCEU was haunted by Christopher Nolan the entire time. It's preposterously ignored now how much Nolan was used in marketing in the early phrases of the DCEU and when Man of Steel came out.

 

Warner Brothers were absolutely convinced that "gritty, serious, po-faced and seemingly grounded in reality" could work in an extended franchise whose world is one of the most fantastical imaginable. Because it worked once.


TDKR is bad (Nolan wrote a first draft then said ‘fuck it’, he’d already moved on emotionally) and the Snyder-verse is one of the worst things ever created by a human, but TDK holds up better than just a moment in time.
 

And I think that’s because it’s the only SH movie so far that’s really delved into how a city would react to a supervillain. Very few of them give a shit, even now. Gotham’s hysteria is palpable. Much more than “SH movie but not really,” that’s what makes it feel bigger than the sum of its parts.

 

 

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1 hour ago, John Marston said:

Tracking for 75 million opening

 

 

 

https://www.thewrap.com/the-flash-dc-box-office-predictions-opening/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking_news_7271797

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Flash, starring Ezra Miller in the titular role, is pacing to open in the $70 million range, according to sources who have access to tracking data.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-flash-box-office-headwinds-elemental-1235501230/

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Maybe it's too early to say, but maybe there are limits to audience nostalgia with returning characters. Keaton and Ford are 70-80 year olds returning to characters who were big deals in the 80's and early 90's. 

 

Does anyone believe these two can still fight or fly or whip around? 

 

That's not even analyzing where they last left off with their roles. Keaton infamously turned down Batman 3 which lead to Kilmer and Clooney's films tarnishing the character. Then Nolan and Bale took over creating the most beloved iteration in film, practically erasing Keaton. This even became Keaton's defining role since Batman in Birdman. The film is literally about him harming his career not going for Batman 3. 

 

Indy had a hated fourth entry that turned into a millennial era joke as memes were hitting their breakthrough and shelved the franchise until this year. He never was in younger generations mind's like Star Wars and Han Solo were. Han was kept alive through parents showing their kids the OG trilogy while also being in multiple games, shows, books, comics, etc. I mean do young generations even know what they're memeing when they use the melting Nazi and Boulder gifs lol? 

 

If they both had left off on good terms with solid entries and endings, maybe audiences would be more excited seeing old men suiting up one last time. 

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19 minutes ago, Durden said:

 

 

The Flash, starring Ezra Miller in the titular role, is pacing to open in the $70 million range, according to sources who have access to tracking data.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-flash-box-office-headwinds-elemental-1235501230/


 

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The Flash, starring Ezra Miller in the titular role, is pacing to open in the $70 million range, according to sources who have access to tracking data. Box office insiders say that’s a soft number for a movie that’s been heavily promoted by Warner Brothers Discovery as the best superhero film of all time. Others note that a movie’s hold once it opens is more important than the opening weekend gross.


The best CBM ever marketing is already becoming a meme lol.

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24 minutes ago, Durden said:

 

 

The Flash, starring Ezra Miller in the titular role, is pacing to open in the $70 million range, according to sources who have access to tracking data.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-flash-box-office-headwinds-elemental-1235501230/

People were making fun of the Unbiased Snyder Fan but I guess he really had a source for this, he was spot on about the industry tracking 

 

 

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