WEEKEND THREAD: Lightyear implodes with 51M DOM, 85.6M WW. THE LAST PIXAR MOVIE EVER?????😱😱😱 | Dominion #1 with 58.66M, Top Gun 44M

[wildphantom]

24 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

Because Disney+ is more convenient and people prefer watching movies at home. Plus also these days the only things audiences want to go out to see are nostalgic toy commercials. Strange World and Elemental may be toy commercials, but they don’t have the nostalgia value. Sad but true!

if people prefer watching movies at home then why are we witnessing audience turn out in phenomenon numbers right now for Top Gun? 
 

Surely you’re not suggesting it’s a nostalgic toy commercial. It’s the most raved film from audiences and critics in recent memory. 
 

has a wild indie movie like Everything Everywhere All At Once been a mini sensation? Or did that not happen? 
 

I’m sorry, I just don’t buy it. 
 

We’re still not caught up with films being available to theatres at the numbers they will be for next year. But the recovery of the cinema has been apparent to everybody.  Streaming has a place, sure. But it’s not the ‘people prefer staying at home’ sweeping statement you make it out to be. Tell that to the theatres packed out today for a movie that’s been out four weeks and they’re struggling to meet demand for it. 
 

There’s a place for everything.  And as we’ll find out in due course, nothing comes for free when your stock price starts tumbling.  The tide is turning, when many on here thought it was doomed a year ago. 
 

 

[AniNate]

10 minutes ago, Alpha said:

This guy's saying Toy Story isn’t primarily geared towards younger audiences and families?

 

Lmfao the idea that Lightyear was aimed at audiences younger than Toy Story is definitely some asspull revisionist thinking

[wildphantom]

10 minutes ago, AniNate said:

 

I think certain members here just want to hold on to an apocalyptic narrative to release their own uncontrolled anxieties

there’s a bit of that, but also just being plain old ‘the sky is falling’ wind up merchants.  It’s par for the course round these parts!  We all kind of love it really.  A big gang of bickering inmates who readily change their tune when our gods throw an unexpected Friday night estimate up. 
 

The hypocrisy is often deafening. I wouldn’t have it any other way. 
 

most of us are Ricky Bobby basically….
 

[SchumacherFTW]

There's a pretty easy way to get these Disney families back to the theater for the animated movies. Stop offering them so quickly on D+, it's not like they're going to drop it just because Lightyear will take 4 months to hit the service rather than 4 weeks. 

[Eric Prime]

1 minute ago, wildphantom said:

if people prefer watching movies at home then why are we witnessing audience turn out in phenomenon numbers right now for Top Gun? 
 

Surely you’re not suggesting it’s a nostalgic toy commercial. It’s the most raved film from audiences and critics in recent memory. 
 

has a wild indie movie like Everything Everywhere All At Once been a mini sensation? Or did that not happen? 
 

I’m sorry, I just don’t buy it. 
 

We’re still not caught up with films being available to theatres at the numbers they will be for next year. But the recovery of the cinema has been apparent to everybody.  Streaming has a place, sure. But it’s not the ‘people prefer staying at home’ sweeping statement you make it out to be. Tell that to the theatres packed out today for a movie that’s been out four weeks and they’re struggling to meet demand for it. 
 

There’s a place for everything.  And as we’ll find out in due course, nothing comes for free when your stock price starts tumbling.  The tide is turning, when many on here thought it was doomed a year ago. 
 

 

Well people are seeing Top Gun in theaters because that’s the only way you can watch it right now. If there was a home option, I feel confident saying people would want to see it at home. And yeah, the movie being a nostalgic toy commercial is a big reason why people are watching it. It’s based off a super popular movie people loved back in the day and it has a wide variety of merchandise. Not as much as others granted, but do you seriously think Top Gun 2 would have made the money it did or have the same amount of hype if it was just a totally original feature not based on anything? Considering the most popular movies of the past few years are based off nostalgic properties, I doubt that’s the case.

 

I will give you EEAAO, but that is more an exception to the rule IMO. There’s always those, but one movie does not change everything.

[wildphantom]

7 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Let's revisit this when Minions 2 opens in two weeks.

 

Straight to streaming isn't going to be a viable strategy long-term, it's just leaving money on the table that even a brief theatrical window provides.

exactly. And what happens when those streaming subs start to go down? Which will inevitably happen. Nobody should be putting all their eggs in one basket. Especially one that they’re making a loss on until they get to a certain number of subs and then have to hold on to them. 

[Eric Prime]

And for the record, I know that day and date is stupid. But the studio execs don’t agree and are willing to burn their studios to the ground because they think streaming is more valuable. So how about you yell at them for their stupidity instead of me?

[grim22]

2 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

Well people are seeing Top Gun in theaters because that’s the only way you can watch it right now. If there was a home option, I feel confident saying people would want to see it at home. And yeah, the movie being a nostalgic toy commercial is a big reason why people are watching it. It’s based off a super popular movie people loved back in the day and it has a wide variety of merchandise. Not as much as others granted, but do you seriously think Top Gun 2 would have made the money it did or have the same amount of hype if it was just a totally original feature not based on anything? Considering the most popular movies of the past few years are based off nostalgic properties, I doubt that’s the case.

 

I will give you EEAAO, but that is more an exception to the rule IMO. There’s always those, but one movie does not change everything.

Well, also EEAAO is doing good "for it's budget and rollout". On an absolute basis 60M isn't a huge number.

 

 

 

[SchumacherFTW]

2 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

And for the record, I know that day and date is stupid. But the studio execs don’t agree and are willing to burn their studios to the ground because they think streaming is more valuable. So how about you yell at them for their stupidity instead of me?

Because you're here and they aren't 😉

[Yandereprime101189]

7 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Let's revisit this when Minions 2 opens in two weeks.

 

Straight to streaming isn't going to be a viable strategy long-term, it's just leaving money on the table that even a brief theatrical window provides.

 

Then the studios need to adapt.

 

At this point, theatrical has become a marketing tool for streaming and home disc. That's literally what Ecanto's release turned out to be. The movie wasn't make a huge splash at all, then Disney+ came and it's up there in popularity with Frozen. Lightyear will probably be a colossal hit on Disney+ when it debuts in 30-45 days or Disney+ Day.

 

[Jonwo]

I thought we've moved on from this idea that people are now preferring to stay at home for their entertainment or socialising rather than experience things outside. Judging from the fact that city centres are busier than ever disapproves this.

[ringedmortality]

What if Minions gets an Animated Feature nomination over Lightyear? Do we just cancel cinema altogether?

[wildphantom]

2 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

Well people are seeing Top Gun in theaters because that’s the only way you can watch it right now. If there was a home option, I feel confident saying people would want to see it at home. And yeah, the movie being a nostalgic toy commercial is a big reason why people are watching it. It’s based off a super popular movie people loved back in the day and it has a wide variety of merchandise. Not as much as others granted, but do you seriously think Top Gun 2 would have made the money it did or have the same amount of hype if it was just a totally original feature not based on anything? Considering the most popular movies of the past few years are based off nostalgic properties, I doubt that’s the case.

 

I will give you EEAAO, but that is more an exception to the rule IMO. There’s always those, but one movie does not change everything.

you’re kind of proving my point though. 

 

They’re showing up in droves and recommending it to others and are paying money to do so. Now that’s a business. 
 

Of course the masses might wish they could watch it for next to nothing. But they can’t, as they shouldn’t be able to. 
 

Streaming has its place for these movies - later on. At release they should be all singing and all dancing in the place they were designed to be seen at first, and where they can maximise their revenue before they put it out into the ether. That’s controllable and it’s good business. 
 

Hell, I wish I could get all my food shopping a month for the price of a few streaming subs. But that’s not reality. 

[Alpha]

3 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

And for the record, I know that day and date is stupid. But the studio execs don’t agree and are willing to burn their studios to the ground because they think streaming is more valuable. So how about you yell at them for their stupidity instead of me?

You are the one making the argument. And how am I supposed to yell at a studio. Am I supposed to take a megaphone to Universal City and shout at an office building.

[wildphantom]

5 minutes ago, Eric Lightyear said:

And for the record, I know that day and date is stupid. But the studio execs don’t agree and are willing to burn their studios to the ground because they think streaming is more valuable. So how about you yell at them for their stupidity instead of me?

oh man, don’t even get me started. 
 

Chapek is toast.  What are the odds he’ll be gone by Christmas? Look what happened to Warner Bros. 

[wildphantom]

4 minutes ago, Yandereprime101189 said:

 

Then the studios need to adapt.

 

At this point, theatrical has become a marketing tool for streaming and home disc. That's literally what Ecanto's release turned out to be. The movie wasn't make a huge splash at all, then Disney+ came and it's up there in popularity with Frozen. Lightyear will probably be a colossal hit on Disney+ when it debuts in 30-45 days or Disney+ Day.

 

Personally I think Encanto would have done great had they not said it was coming to Disney+ before it even opened. 
Not Frozen big because covid was still fairly prevalent, but it would have made a significant amount more. 
 

Then the D+ mania would still have happened when it eventually went on there. 

[YM!]

30 minutes ago, Alpha said:

This guy's saying Toy Story isn’t primarily geared towards younger audiences and families?

So now when a Disney movie flops, he goes back to sucking them off after the past year or so saying streaming is the future.

[TwoMisfits]

2 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

I thought we've moved on from this idea that people are now preferring to stay at home for their entertainment or socialising rather than experience things outside. Judging from the fact that city centres are busier than ever disapproves this.

 

The current idea is "do families find value in buying 3-6 tickets for kid-skewing movies when they have to pay full price tickets for their kids"...

 

Right now, adults are back and willing to pay for 1-2 tickets for great movies, especially for the occasional movie...and subscribers are willing to buoy the rest of the adult-skewing movies.

 

But kids can't subscribe.  And they can't get cheaper tickets than their parent's subscriptions, except on Tuesdays.  And they will watch movies at home. A lot of them.

 

Kids had 2 years to never develop a movie-going habit.  Theaters should have used those two years to realize they need to get these kids in asap for anything at any cost b/c if you don't create the habit, you'll have an industry like Blockbuster - good for a time, and then never again...

 

 

[The Dark Alfred]

I just don't undestand why people here are unhappy about a crap rip off cash cow movie flopping. If anything LY's underperformance is good news. Hopefully it will stop Disney/Pixar doing another Cars/Forky/Woody film and focus on doing another Inside Out/Coco instead. Personally I'd like to see Minions underperform as well, but I know it won't. This summer is frikkin' awesome. Theatres are recovering well, Strange hit 400m, JWD could have walked 400m as well had not been garbage, A24 just had their biggest hit ever, Elvis/Thor/Nope could still perform well and we're having the greatest summer runs of all time thanks to Maverick. You would have taken any of this after the past two years we had.

[wildphantom]

9 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Well, also EEAAO is doing good "for it's budget and rollout". On an absolute basis 60M isn't a huge number.

 

 

 

its A24’s biggest hit to date and the movie is INSANE. A word of mouth hit if ever there was one. 
 

For its budget and the tough sell on paper, especially considering the lack of mid-budget successes the past few years, it’s definitely a huge win. One of the stories of the year at the movies.