Weekend estimates | 31.70M GODZILLA × KONG: TNE | 10.10M MONKEY MAN | 9.00M GHOSTBUSTERS: FE | 8.36M THE FIRST OMEN | 7.85M KFP IV | 7.20M DUNE II

[thajdikt]

1 hour ago, Flopped said:

 

 

Disney did irreparable damage to moviegoers' viewing habits. The general audience has lost its connection to good movies. For 16 years they were forced-fed Marvel (there is not one rewatchable movie out of all of them), garbage new Star Wars (none of them rewatchable either), and subpar animated films (even Pixar is trash now). Other studios tried to remake themselves in Disney's image. Meanwhile, Netflix serves unwatchable garbage that get clicks because they pay bad actors like Ryan Reynolds or JLo $20-30M and you don't mind that the movies are bad cuz you're watching from home. 

 

So there is now a ceiling on how much a good movie will gross because only a very small % of the population hasn't been tainted by the last 16 years. 

 

Now that Marvel is thankfully over and Disney can't seem to sell water in the desert, maybe audiences will be retrained to not only recognize but want good movies en masse again, but it will take time to undo the last decade and a half. 

 

Disney didn’t do anything lol. The reason so many movies were made was because it was a demand for it. People liked them, people thought they were good, and people showed up in theaters every time. You don’t make as many movies as they did in the infinity saga without people actually thinking they are good and liking them. Disney didn’t force fed anybody people wanted it. Some of y’all act like Disney put a gun to people’s head and forced them to use hard earned money on their movies.
 

Also the notion that they did irreparable damage to viewers habit when you have movies like Oppenheimer, Dune, Avatar2 Barbie and Top Gun Maverick, all great movies which audiences drove out to see 🤷🏾 stop blaming Disney for other movies flopping or not retaining audiences. There’s plenty of non Disney movies that has been massively successful during their “peak” and now during a downturn for Disney.
The rise of streaming, increasing cost of living, and cost of movie tickets is a bigger culprit then Disney and their movies ever will be. The ceiling you talk about may exist, but it isn’t because of Disney’s movies.

Edited April 6 by thajdikt

[emoviefan]

5 minutes ago, wildphantom said:

or they’ll drop a couple of their streaming services as having them all is too expensive. A few will survive, and cinemas will be just fine where movies can actually make money - rather than be product for services that lose money every single quarter. 
 

Times are a changing, but it’s far from doom and gloom.  Streaming has proven that movies don’t make money on there. They need cinemas. 
 

I see this year so far as being the inevitable result of the strikes. We knew we had tons of films planned for release this year moving into next year. That’s what’s panning out. I’d say we’re doing ok so far. 
 

Monkey Man and Omen’s debuts don’t prove anything. 

Yeah using  Monkey Man and Omen as an example of the struggles of Theatrical is just okay yeah. And I am not even saying theatrical is in great shape because it is not right now but using a movie that until two months ago was going to Netflix and was probably to niche for the GA and a prequel that nobody asked for does not prove anything. 

[Speedorito]

13 minutes ago, wildphantom said:

or they’ll drop a couple of their streaming services as having them all is too expensive. A few will survive, and cinemas will be just fine where movies can actually make money - rather than be product for services that lose money every single quarter. 
 

Times are a changing, but it’s far from doom and gloom.  Streaming has proven that movies don’t make money on there. They need cinemas. 
 

I see this year so far as being the inevitable result of the strikes. We knew we had tons of films planned for release this year moving into next year. That’s what’s panning out. I’d say we’re doing ok so far. 
 

Monkey Man and Omen’s debuts don’t prove anything. 

I don’t want to go all “nostalgic toy commercial” and I don’t think theaters are going to all shut down or anything, but Monkey Man and Omen aren’t really one-offs. There are only so many times someone can say “This original film didn’t do big numbers, but that’s because of XYZ”  before it becomes an undeniable pattern.

[Shawn Robbins]

On 4/5/2024 at 3:21 PM, Shawn Robbins said:

Way too early Friday #s from source:

 

GxK 7.7 - 8

MM 4.2 - 4.4

TFO 3.3 - 3.5

Well at least GxK beat these. 😕

[Dominic Draper]

Shocked how much I enjoyed GxK.

 

It's funny, in theory I loved the approach of Godzilla 2014 and KOTM. And in theory I like this silly approach less. But in execution i couldn't stand those films and have really enjoyed everything with Kong that leaned on the silly side, with this one going full action figures smashed into eachother.

 

I was so hyped for 2014. KOTM I was cautiously optimistic. And I hated both so much. Sure there are a handful of great scenes but the human characters just took up so much time and they were so poorly written and frankly I've seen dead moths with more screen presence than some of the performances. Looking at you ATJ.

 

Movie was just a fun brisk time. It came under 2 hours and never dragged. The humans were minimized. Kong made me crack me up several times. It embraces the silliness and it worked so well for me. I still think Skull Island is the best but this was my 2nd favorite of the monsterverse.

 

7/10

[Unfitclock]

Why were the Friday increases worse then last Friday when more people were out of school and off on Friday it doesn’t make any sense

[TMP]

Monkey Man was so fucking sick. So insanely propulsive, so rich in texture and steeped in culture. Patel can shoot the shit out of a great action scene, and I loved the little moments of levity sprinkled in between the beat downs. So happy I got to see this on a Dolby instead of my TV, regardless of box office haha

 

[Arlborn]

5 hours ago, Flopped said:

 

 

Disney did irreparable damage to moviegoers' viewing habits. The general audience has lost its connection to good movies. For 16 years they were forced-fed Marvel (there is not one rewatchable movie out of all of them), garbage new Star Wars (none of them rewatchable either), and subpar animated films (even Pixar is trash now). Other studios tried to remake themselves in Disney's image. Meanwhile, Netflix serves unwatchable garbage that get clicks because they pay bad actors like Ryan Reynolds or JLo $20-30M and you don't mind that the movies are bad cuz you're watching from home. 

 

So there is now a ceiling on how much a good movie will gross because only a very small % of the population hasn't been tainted by the last 16 years. 

 

Now that Marvel is thankfully over and Disney can't seem to sell water in the desert, maybe audiences will be retrained to not only recognize but want good movies en masse again, but it will take time to undo the last decade and a half. 

 

Holy negativity Batman, are you OK? So much hatred seeping through here, I honestly sometimes worry about people who write negative stuff like that on the internet in a frequent manner.

 

I know it's just about movies which theoretically in the grand scheme of things is just silly unimportant stuff, but I can't imagine being so vehemently negative about something and being OK in life you know? But that's probably just me I guess.

 

I'm sure I'm just over-analyzing stuff as usual

 

Edited April 7 by Arlborn

[Eric Burnett]

3 minutes ago, Arlborn said:

Holy negativity Batman, are you OK? So much hatred seeping through here, I honestly sometimes worry about people who write negative stuff like that on the internet in a frequent manner.

 

I know it's just about movies which theoretically in the grand scheme of things is just silly unimportant stuff, but I can't imagine being so vehemently negative about something and being OK in life you know? But that's probably just me I guess.

 

I'm sure I'm just over-analyzing stuff as usual

 

This isn't the first time Flopped/La Binoche has done some pretentious BS as a way to troll Marvel and Disney fans. Don't worry, I already gave them warning points.

 

Though there is still truth to the tweet IMO. People claim that they want originality, but they never show up, and are very much the least demanding they've ever been. I know people hate when I say NTCs, but like...I'm not wrong. That's all that people want to see, and it's gotten worse and worse over the decades. And that's not good for anybody!

[MightyDargon]

I'd argue people are pretty demanding but not in a "good" way. A lot of the later MCU movies did not exactly have great CGI for the money put into them. In terms of cinematography, music, etc. many were vastly inferior to Villeneuve's Dune. What the MCU audience was "demanding" of was continuity porn and rabbit hole/mystery box stuff. Guardians 3 was vastly superior to most late MCU movies because it WASN'T trying to put in a bunch of continuity porn to shill for future movies since it was the last Gunn MCU movie and it felt like "real" movie as a result.

[ringedmortality]

It sucks that GxK isn't going to finish above Godzilla 2014. After all the hoopla from it's opening weekend. I wanted another movie above 200M DOM, boo!

[AniNate]

The rational, boring theory is audiences are fickle and you can't always predict what exactly they'll be into. Some themes and genres may be more reliable than others for a period of time, but even the "NTCs" aren't slam dunks anymore, and conversely it is still possible for non-NTCs to be successful provided they have the right combo of creative vision and marketing hook. 

[MightyDargon]

1 minute ago, ringedmortality said:

It sucks that GxK isn't going to finish above Godzilla 2014. After all the hoopla from it's opening weekend. I wanted another movie above 200M DOM, boo!

I wouldn't say that yet.

[Cmasterclay]

4 hours ago, Speedorito said:

I don’t want to go all “nostalgic toy commercial” and I don’t think theaters are going to all shut down or anything, but Monkey Man and Omen aren’t really one-offs. There are only so many times someone can say “This original film didn’t do big numbers, but that’s because of XYZ”  before it becomes an undeniable pattern.

Don't say that too loud around here! 

[Legion Again]

1 hour ago, Eric Atreides said:

This isn't the first time Flopped/La Binoche has done some pretentious BS as a way to troll Marvel and Disney fans. Don't worry, I already gave them warning points.

 

Though there is still truth to the tweet IMO. People claim that they want originality, but they never show up, and are very much the least demanding they've ever been. I know people hate when I say NTCs, but like...I'm not wrong. That's all that people want to see, and it's gotten worse and worse over the decades. And that's not good for anybody!

Getting lots of NTCs is good for the people who enjoy watching NTCs though  

[ringedmortality]

Personally, as a 25 year old, I think people under 25 are gonna look at movie theaters like a rotary phone. Ancient technology from the past. These kiddos just dont get movies like us old guys.

[Flopped]

1 hour ago, Eric Atreides said:

This isn't the first time Flopped/La Binoche has done some pretentious BS as a way to troll Marvel and Disney fans. Don't worry, I already gave them warning points.

 

Though there is still truth to the tweet IMO. People claim that they want originality, but they never show up, and are very much the least demanding they've ever been. I know people hate when I say NTCs, but like...I'm not wrong. That's all that people want to see, and it's gotten worse and worse over the decades. And that's not good for anybody!

 

Im not "trolling" them. Im not saying this to get a rise out of them. Its what I believe. Opinions. People have different ones. 

[Cmasterclay]

8 minutes ago, ringedmortality said:

Personally, as a 25 year old, I think people under 25 are gonna look at movie theaters like a rotary phone. Ancient technology from the past. These kiddos just dont get movies like us old guys.

My instincts agree, but honestly most of the people I know who scoff at me going to the movie theaters are professional types with wife and kids that I work or volunteer with. The middle class, 30-60 year old professional crowd lives on Amazon and Netflix tbh. All my work colleagues are wait for streaming on everything, but my high school age niece and her little friends still like going to the movies for something to do. They're much more casual moviegoers than grownups now honestly.

Edited April 7 by Cmasterclay

[narniadis]

1 hour ago, Cmasterclay said:

My instincts agree, but honestly most of the people I know who scoff at me going to the movie theaters are professional types with wife and kids that I work or volunteer with. The middle class, 30-60 year old professional crowd lives on Amazon and Netflix tbh. All my work colleagues are wait for streaming on everything, but my high school age niece and her little friends still like going to the movies for something to do. They're much more casual moviegoers than grownups now honestly.

Married with kiddos. As much as I LOVE the theatrical experience, I have much greater things to worry about and frankly to pay for. Our $10/month Disney/hulu combo provides more than enough entertainment for the kids and our 2 or 3 times a year theater trips are the special events that we enjoy - and it's rarely going to be something that isn't NTC related because we at least know what we are getting. 6 tickets a pop isn't practical and dinner+babysitting for date nights mean theater is the least likely option. I can totally understand and relate to your crowd 🤷‍♂️

[BadOlCatSylvester]

3 hours ago, ringedmortality said:

It sucks that GxK isn't going to finish above Godzilla 2014. After all the hoopla from it's opening weekend. I wanted another movie above 200M DOM, boo!

I hate that that snoozefest of a movie will always remain the biggest one just based on the novelty factor alone. They finally got it right with these Kong crossovers, and they should be rewarded with new franchise highs for it. I just hope it at least takes the worldwide throne at this point.