Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny | June 30 2023 | Very mixed reviews out of Cannes

[dudalb]

55 minutes ago, LegionWrex said:

All of this+Spielberg was attached to direct at one point so he got paid for that as well as exec producer and all of those locations? Under COVID protocols, which upped the budget tenfold (MI7 had the same thing happen to it, it cost around the same as Indy if reports are to be believed).

Spielberg withdrew from directing at his own request, I think that voided his getting any payment for directignt he film.

[LegionWrex]

Just now, dudalb said:

Spielberg withdrew from directing at his own request, I think that voided his getting any payment for directignt he film.

It depends on how long he was involved with the project, and considering the film was in pre-production when he left (not development, pre-production) he likely did get some form of payment. I don't know much (I also don't know how much Mangold was paid either) but considering when he left, it's exceptionally likely he did get paid to some extent.

[ZeroHour]

MI7 has a similar budget for a similar set of reasons. Turns out globetrotting adventure films are extremely expensive to shoot on location during a pandemic. 

[dudalb]

25 minutes ago, LegionWrex said:

It depends on how long he was involved with the project, and considering the film was in pre-production when he left (not development, pre-production) he likely did get some form of payment. I don't know much (I also don't know how much Mangold was paid either) but considering when he left, it's exceptionally likely he did get paid to some extent.

He got a few bucks for his pre production work, but I doubt it had an impact on the final cost of hte film.

Point is this film cost a lot more then it should have, from what I saw on the screen.

[poweranimals]

4 hours ago, dudalb said:

Spielberg withdrew from directing at his own request, I think that voided his getting any payment for directignt he film.

Why did he leave anyway?

[LegionWrex]

11 minutes ago, poweranimals said:

Why did he leave anyway?

Film was taking too long, pretty much. Spielberg is in his 70s and clearly wants to devote the rest of his life doing passion projects he may never get a chance to do otherwise (West Side Story, Fabelmans, that Bullit sequel) instead of waiting around for the time to do Indy. According to Mangold he was a pretty hands on producer so it's not like he stayed off the project, he was still around, but his priorities just shifted.

[ZattMurdock]

5 hours ago, ZeroHour said:

MI7 has a similar budget for a similar set of reasons. Turns out globetrotting adventure films are extremely expensive to shoot on location during a pandemic. 

Whenever I read takes here and on social media asking for these films to be cheaper I roll my eyes. Globetrotting films are expensive endeavors, with or without COVID, we are not in the 80s anymore. Crystal Skull costed $185m with a tight schedule and filmed only in the US, unlike any other Indiana Jones film, including Dial of Destiny. 
 

People complain about the use of Volume and green screen, but when they get films that go out of their way to make them on location, complain they are too expensive. I’m okay with MCU and Star Wars films using one hell lot of Volume and green screen, but it’s nice to have variety.

 

"Oh but then they are going to be too much expensive". I mean, I have Disney stock, just like I have WB stock, it’s almost nothing, but I feel like people complaining about the budgets act like this is a movie studios sim when they don’t even have skin in the game. Let the studios go with their lavish budgets. It’s fine. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by ZattMurdock

[Hatebox]

^ I don’t think they’re complaining. Just stating that, yes, no shit these films are expensive.

[ZattMurdock]

Just now, Hatebox said:

^ I don’t think they’re complaining. Just stating that, yes, no shit these films are expensive.

I could literally post one hundred tweets here of "specialists" from social media, accounts from people of all walks of life, sexual orientations and across all the politic spectrum calling out how expensive these films are and why can’t they make it small budget like the 80s films. The problem with social media is that everyone became an expert and clickbait shit only potencializes that without allowing to didactically give the general population the context on why films that are made across several locations are expensive. 
 

All we get are CGI = bad and OMG how outrageous the budget of this film budget is, why can’t we go back to the way it was in the 80s. It’s astonishing how film discussions quality is poor these days, all we talk is the controversial shit for the sake of controversial shit.

[Elessar]

11 hours ago, dudalb said:

I am a huge Indy fan, and overall liked Dial, but let's stick to reality.

 

Nobody is denying that it is probably losing money. "Probably" because nobody has insight into accounting books and budget figures are not publicly available. 

[Human]

11 hours ago, Elessar said:

 

Nobody is denying that it is probably losing money. "Probably" because nobody has insight into accounting books and budget figures are not publicly available. 

You are denying that it is losing a ton of money.  All box office standards say it is one of the biggest bombs ever.

[ZattMurdock]

 

 

12 hours ago, Human said:

You are denying that it is losing a ton of money.  All box office standards say it is one of the biggest bombs ever.

That’s certainly the kind of well thought discourse that we came to expect from BOT, it’s very nuanced and based in reality, no over exaggerations whatsoever. Gah I miss the old days. @baumerlet’s fight. Please. Please.

[dudalb]

On 7/11/2023 at 8:45 PM, LegionWrex said:

Film was taking too long, pretty much. Spielberg is in his 70s and clearly wants to devote the rest of his life doing passion projects he may never get a chance to do otherwise (West Side Story, Fabelmans, that Bullit sequel) instead of waiting around for the time to do Indy. According to Mangold he was a pretty hands on producer so it's not like he stayed off the project, he was still around, but his priorities just shifted.

Spielberg also had issue about the Nazis in the film. After dealing with the evil of Nazism in a brutally realistic way in "Schindler;s List" he had real problems doing the Comic Book Villian type Nazis you would have in a Indy Jones film.He, obviously, had no problems with them being a movie, he just did not feel he could direct them after "Schindler's List".

[LegionWrex]

20 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Spielberg also had issue about the Nazis in the film. After dealing with the evil of Nazism in a brutally realistic way in "Schindler;s List" he had real problems doing the Comic Book Villian type Nazis you would have in a Indy Jones film.He, obviously, had no problems with them being a movie, he just did not feel he could direct them after "Schindler's List".

Yep. Big reason as to why the Soviets were the villains in Crystal Skull (outside of the Cold War setting).

[John Marston]

This making less than Black Adam worldwide was certainly not on my bingo card 

[emoviefan]

Went and saw this a second time yesterday. Still really enjoyed. My only problem yes it could have been like 20 minutes shorter. It does drag a little in the middle but once it hits the time travel Syracuse section it just flies.  I just love everything from that point on. I think the WOM is better for this than a lot of people think. It's going to get pretty close to 3 times its opening weekend which is not nothing anymore. Yeah it's a bomb financially but can't do anything about that. Ranking- 1) Raiders, 2)Last Crusade, 3)Dial 4) Temple, 5)KIngdom

[John Marston]

So weird that a new Indiana Jones movie came out just two months ago and it’s already disappeared into the ether

[Ozymandias]

2 hours ago, John Marston said:

So weird that a new Indiana Jones movie came out just two months ago and it’s already disappeared into the ether

 

Disney™

[Porthos]

We know who to blame now!

 

 

[TomThomas]

On 7/12/2023 at 6:32 AM, poweranimals said:

Why did he leave anyway?

He probably knew it smelt really fishy and no way it was going to be good with the script he had, so he didn't want to repeat Crystal Skull and left.