Superman | July 11, 2025 | James Gunn writing and directing | David Corenswet is Clark, Rachel Brosnahan is Lois

[Zakiyyah6]

6 minutes ago, cax16 said:

What you’re saying makes sense but they did a huge reshoot on JL to change Superman to what seemed like what they wanted him to be for future movies(cause they were obviously trying to move away from Snyder’s vision). That’s what seems so odd to me about a deal not happening, and unfortunately Henry isn’t a big enough star to demand any kind of creative control.

 

As we’ve seen with Batman/Superman over the years, the character is bigger then any actor, And with Aquamans success they now see they can use their lower teir characters and make good money if they produce good movies. 

 

I don’t disagree that WB obviously has some fault in this as well though. Hopefully things can work out and we can get another Superman movie sooner rather then later. 

 

 

You can't blame Henry for not signing on without some creative control. Okay he isn't a big enough star to demand that, I'm not arguing against that but so? Should he stick around and be unsure of whether they will embarrass him further? It's best he just leave and do something else then. Good luck to the next sucker who signs up for the role.

[The Futurist]

6 hours ago, Telemachos said:

Give us a solid decade between Superman movies please.

America will be in Civil War by then so no more Superman movie for you.

Edited February 4, 2019 by The Futurist

[robertman2]

Snyder's Superman was bad because it showed a lack of understanding of the character at a basic level

[Zakiyyah6]

11 minutes ago, RobrtmanAStarWarsReference said:

Snyder's Superman was bad because it showed a lack of understanding of the character at a basic level

It's obvious that he didn't believe in the character at all. I say this as a woman who mostly likes Man of Steel and foolishly saw it as a stepping stone, a Superman learning the ropes movie, as opposed to the status quo that it was shown to be after how the character was (mis) handled in Batman v Superman. Make no mistake, that lip service about getting to the real Superman eventually was just that, lip service. He was forced to change his Superman after everyone hated BvS and obviously even then WB weren't happy with the changes and foolishly tried to remake a movie in a few months. Overall I can't be too hard on Snyder though, WB wanted a dark Superman and he gave them one. He failed but WB failed too. Snyder's the one that changed the ending to the broken neck thing.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Zakiyyah6

[John Marston]

Man of Steel is unapologetically one of my favorite superhero movies. BvS was a mess though (though I still own it). Justice League was unfinished and should not have been released

[cax16]

16 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

You can't blame Henry for not signing on without some creative control. Okay he isn't a big enough star to demand that, I'm not arguing against that but so? Should he stick around and be unsure of whether they will embarrass him further? It's best he just leave and do something else then. Good luck to the next sucker who signs up for the role.

I respect Henry a lot for being so dedicated to the character, he’s read tons of Superman comics and has done his research and I’m only hoping for the best for him in the future wether he signs on or not. And I don’t fault him at all for wanting to be able to have some say, unfortunately for him he doesn’t have that power. I think he would only help the movie if he had more creative input but that’s not a call I get to make unfortunately. 

 

 

[Zakiyyah6]

2 minutes ago, cax16 said:

I respect Henry a lot for being so dedicated to the character, he’s read tons of Superman comics and has done his research and I’m only hoping for the best for him in the future wether he signs on or not. And I don’t fault him at all for wanting to be able to have some say, unfortunately for him he doesn’t have that power. I think he would only help the movie if he had more creative input but that’s not a call I get to make unfortunately. 

 

 

Sorry I'm being so extra, I'm just passionate about the subject. I love Superman as a character and I'm a fan of Cavill. Even if Cavill doesn't come back I just hope that WB has learned something from the rejection of both Singer's Superman and Snyder's Superman. The way forward lies in the middle action wise, the way forward also lies in embracing the character for who he is. People don't want a Stalker baby-daddy Superman and they don't want an emo neck snapping Ayn Rand analogy either. 

[Jormungard]

12 minutes ago, cax16 said:

As we’ve seen with Batman/Superman over the years, the character is bigger then any actor, And with Aquamans success they now see they can use their lower teir characters and make good money if they produce good movies.

Not sure what baffles me more, the fact that no1 at WB knew it or Cavill's CGI mouth being zoomed.

[cax16]

Just now, Zakiyyah6 said:

Sorry I'm being so extra, I'm just passionate about the subject. I love Superman as a character and I'm a fan of Cavill. Even if Cavill doesn't come back I just hope that WB has learned something from the rejection of both Singer's Superman and Snyder's Superman. The way forward lies in the middle action wise, the way forward also lies in embracing the character for who he is. People don't want a Stalker baby-daddy Superman and they don't want an emo neck snapping Ayn Rand analogy either. 

All good  

 

You’re speaking to someone who’s favourite character is Superman and has been reading his comics since he was a little boy. I just always try and stay positive but I always respect people’s opinions.

 

I think we all want the same thing. Another Superman movie (hopefully starring Henry) that’s as epic and beloved as we know a Superman movie can be by all. 

[Macleod]

2 hours ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

The fact is that WB, not Cavill, have been mishandling Superman for over a decade. If we aren't getting another one with him, I'm inclined to believe that its WB's fault. They turned his sequel into a damn horrible Batman movie because they blame everybody but the lousy director and their own dark n gritty edict for the new Superman not getting popular.

Try over two decades.  Ever since Jon Peters brought it back to them...perhaps he's the curse.  😁

 

https://theweek.com/articles/463157/6-superman-movies-that-didnt-made

[Darth Lehnsherr]

Superman is a tough character to crack. Far harder to do correct than Batman. I've grown to love the character over the years but the main issue is much of his struggle is very much internal and to portray that onscreen as well as the Superman action we expect is not an easy task. The closest we've gotten to a great Superman movie is actually Captain America: The Winter Soldier IMO. 

[TheDarkKnightOfSteel]

6 hours ago, Heat Vision said:

My guess is he wanted more money and creative control. Worst case scenario would be him wanting Snyder back as a director. His manager is The Rock's manager and she is probably hard to deal with as well. Henry Cavill is a solid actor but he needs to face the facts. He isn't a box office draw, he doesn't deserve A list money and his bigger role outside of Superman was MI:Fallout and his character is dead already. If that Netflix series flops, he's going to lose even more leverage.

Didn’t someone recently report that Henry was waiting for a director approval and the MIF happened and suddenly he was in demand?I mean being part of these franchises means that you always have to answer the call and sacrifice other roles you could do instead.It’s not abnormal to ask for more money.Not to mention,I don’t think that there is such a thing as a BO draw these days.Unless you are Leonardo DiCaprio.

[a2k]

Cavill seemed perfect during MOS for Superman. They should look for someone in their mid-20s to play Superman.

 

 

 

[DlAMONDZ]

14 hours ago, cax16 said:

I wonder how things got so screwed between Henry and WB? Was it really his side making huge demands(I believe this was more likely)Or did WB just not want to make Superman movies for the next little while. 

The latter

 

Didn't they already say they got 0 plans for Superman? Isn't that the reason a Supergirl movie is being developed?

 

Had Nolan and Goyer not come knocking we'd probably still be waiting on a follow up to Superman Returns

Edited February 4, 2019 by DlAMONDZ

[Heat Vision]

19 hours ago, DlAMONDZ said:

The latter

 

Didn't they already say they got 0 plans for Superman? Isn't that the reason a Supergirl movie is being developed?

 

Had Nolan and Goyer not come knocking we'd probably still be waiting on a follow up to Superman Returns

They offered Gunn Superman so clearly they still have the character in mind.

 

20 hours ago, TheDarkKnightOfSteel said:

Didn’t someone recently report that Henry was waiting for a director approval and the MIF happened and suddenly he was in demand?I mean being part of these franchises means that you always have to answer the call and sacrifice other roles you could do instead.It’s not abnormal to ask for more money.Not to mention,I don’t think that there is such a thing as a BO draw these days.Unless you are Leonardo DiCaprio.

He is so in demand that he got a Netflix series lol. Clearly there's something holding him back. You would think Cavill would have a ton of roles under his belt by now.

[ChipDerby]

9 hours ago, Heat Vision said:

They offered Gunn Superman so clearly they still have the character in mind.

 

He is so in demand that he got a Netflix series lol. Clearly there's something holding him back. You would think Cavill would have a ton of roles under his belt by now.

 

Getting your own Netflix series about a well known character is... a pretty big deal.

 

You do realize Netflix has been big for a while, right?

[TheDarkKnightOfSteel]

On 2/5/2019 at 8:12 AM, Heat Vision said:

They offered Gunn Superman so clearly they still have the character in mind.

 

He is so in demand that he got a Netflix series lol. Clearly there's something holding him back. You would think Cavill would have a ton of roles under his belt by now.

Everyone is doing a Netflix project these days.At least Cavill go what was probably their most coveted role.

[MrGlass2]

Not commenting on Cavill's career one way or the other, but having a TV show on cable or stream has stopped being "shameful" for movie stars long ago. It leaves plenty of time through the year to do other things. Even The Rock finds the time to star in Ballers somewhere in his insane schedule.

[excel1]

I will direct MOS 2 and it will be a colossal critical and commercial success. WB just shoot me a PM

[Avatree]

On 2/5/2019 at 6:12 AM, Heat Vision said:

He is so in demand that he got a Netflix series lol. Clearly there's something holding him back. You would think Cavill would have a ton of roles under his belt by now.

Not sure what you mean by this since plenty of actors do TV/Netflix work.

Besides isn't Witcher quite a big deal? Meant to be one of Netflix's most expensive shows?

 

And he did Man from UNCLE and Mission Impossible. UNCLE may have flopped but it was still a major studio film with 100m budget.