Weekend Thread: weekend #s (Actuals) Dumbo $45.99M, Us $33.23M, CM $20.66M

[lorddemaxus]

2 minutes ago, john2000 said:

or they understand but they dont care 

And that is a lot worse. People "Not caring" is why companies in many industries have been able to rip off people so easily and therefore having more people to pay the costs, leading some to even go into crises (*cough**cough* 2008).

Edited March 29, 2019 by lorddemaxus

[terrestrial]

7 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

I thought Disney was so huge it had no competition even pre-Fox deal

Every studio does re-makes, sequels, pre-quels etc .  Every studio is "Corporate" - several more than Disney which has a huge focus on film and didn't sell itself to a multi media conglomerate. 

People are salivating over Dune, which has had a film and a mini-series already.  People are dying for news on the next Batman.  Come now.  

 

21 minutes ago, The Panda said:

I don’t see what’s wrong with people not being all that excited about the success of an unoriginal, corporate remake from a large studio that just bought out some of its major competition.

 

~ remakes.....

 

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that ones looks like new material

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Richard Madden, Benedict Cumberbatch, Colin Firth are among the new cast announced for Sam Mendes’ upcoming WW1 drama 1917.

The DreamWorks Pictures project will begin filming on April 1 on location in the UK, and follows two young soldiers played by the previously announced George MacKay and Dean-Charles Chapman during a single day in the conflict. It will shoot in England and Scotland.

Also joining the cast are Andrew Scott, Mark Strong, Daniel Mays, Adrian Scarborough, Jamie Parker, Nabhaan Rizwan and Claire Duburcq.

Mendes directs, wrote the screenplay with Krysty Wilson-Cairns (Penny Dreadful) and produces with his partner at Neal Street Productions Pippa Harris (Revolutionary Road, Away We Go), along with Jayne-Ann Tenggren (Spectre, the upcoming The Rhythm Section) and Callum McDougall. Co-producing is Michael Lerman (Mary Poppins Returns, Skyfall).

The film is being produced by Neal Street Productions for DreamWorks and Universal and will be released in the US by Universal on December 25, 2019. Universal and Amblin Partners will distribute the film internationally, with eOne releasing in the UK on January 10, 2020.

The creative team includes cinematographer Roger Deakins; production designer Dennis Gassner (Bugsy, Road To Perdition); costume designer Jacqueline Durran (Anna Karenina, Darkest Hour); editor Lee Smith (Dunkirk, The Dark Knight); and composer regular Mendes collaborator Thomas Newman

https://www.screendaily.com/news/richard-madden-benedict-cumberbatch-colin-firth-join-cast-of-sam-mendes-1917/5138114.article

 

7 minutes ago, Thanos Legion said:

Such a needed post that I’m quoting it just so it appears more in the thread.

Should I laugh or should I cry,.... so true.

[lorddemaxus]

Just now, terrestrial said:

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Well, this one actually sounds awesome. Begnini as Geppetto and the director of Dogman is making this? Sign me up. Sounds like it will be more artfully done than any of the hollywood remakes.

[Barnack]

23 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Every studio does re-makes, sequels, pre-quels etc .

At the level of recent live action Disney ?

 

1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$620,181,382	4,232	$220,009,584	4,232	12/15	4/19
2	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	4,210	$174,750,616	4,210	3/17	7/13
3	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2	BV	$389,813,101	4,347	$146,510,104	4,347	5/5	9/21
4	Thor: Ragnarok	BV	$315,058,289	4,080	$122,744,989	4,080	11/3	3/15
5	Coco	BV	$209,726,015	3,987	$50,802,605	3,987	11/22	4/26
6	Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales	BV	$172,558,876	4,276	$62,983,253	4,276	5/26	9/21
7	Cars 3	BV	$152,901,115	4,256	$53,688,680	4,256	6/16	11/2
8	Born in China	BV	$13,873,211	1,508	$4,790,367	1,508	4/21	7/6

 

It is not about doing remakes/sequels (well maybe it is emotionally), but "rationally" it is not about what they do but about what they do not.

 

They have an ROI in their current filmed entertainment business that I think no one else ever did and one that make movies that do not lend themselves to sequels/Parks segments has bad investment even if they are The Upside style of hit.

 

[Johnny Tran]

In any event, if you are an ultra fanboy of any huge corporate whether it's Apple or Sony or whatever and you don't own stock or have any kind of monetary interest, I find that to be weird and a waste of time.

[terrestrial]

1 minute ago, lorddemaxus said:

Well, this one actually sounds awesome. Begnini as Geppetto and the director of Dogman is making this? Sign me up. Sounds like it will be more artfully done than any of the hollywood remakes.

Might be, but its still the xx-times version. Espcially that story has a loooooot of versions.

It was about the no new content posts....

[Alli]

So now that fox doesn't exist anymore, disney will continue making movies for kids. no adult movies like fox used to make? such a shame

[john2000]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

At the level of recent live action Disney ?

 

1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$620,181,382	4,232	$220,009,584	4,232	12/15	4/19
2	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	4,210	$174,750,616	4,210	3/17	7/13
3	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2	BV	$389,813,101	4,347	$146,510,104	4,347	5/5	9/21
4	Thor: Ragnarok	BV	$315,058,289	4,080	$122,744,989	4,080	11/3	3/15
5	Coco	BV	$209,726,015	3,987	$50,802,605	3,987	11/22	4/26
6	Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales	BV	$172,558,876	4,276	$62,983,253	4,276	5/26	9/21
7	Cars 3	BV	$152,901,115	4,256	$53,688,680	4,256	6/16	11/2
8	Born in China	BV	$13,873,211	1,508	$4,790,367	1,508	4/21	7/6

 

It is not about doing remakes/sequels (well maybe it is emotionally), but "rationally" it is not about what they do but about what they do not.

 

They have an ROI in their current filmed entertainment business that I think no one else ever did and one that make movies that do not lend themselves to sequels/Parks segments has bad investment even if they are The Upside style of hit.

 

as long as they make money why stop ? do you really believe  that others studios wouldnt ? the only reason the others have a more diverse movies its not bc of art or for the sake of more variety and try news things but its bc the DONT HAVE the ip that disney has see what universal does with fast and furios and sony with spiderman and etc and then tell me that they wouldnt do with with ip like disney

[john2000]

Just now, Alli said:

So now that fox doesn't exist anymore, disney will continue making movies for kids. no adult movies like fox used to make? such a shame

what ? the reason they bought fox its bc they want to make r rated content and adult content by using other stuido why they would pay 71 billion dollars for them to not allow for to do what they do ? for only xmen and avatar ? lol

[The Panda]

6 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

I thought Disney was so huge it had no competition even pre-Fox deal

 

Every studio does re-makes, sequels, pre-quels etc .  Every studio is "Corporate" - several more than Disney which has a huge focus on film and didn't sell itself to a multi media conglomerate. 

 

People are salivating over Dune, which has had a film and a mini-series already.  People are dying for news on the next Batman.  Come now.  

Let’s compare the studios over the last few years

 

Count over last three years releases (2017-2019)

 

Disney

18 Sequels

5 Remakes 

6 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 29

 

WB

19 Sequels

5 Remakes

31 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 55

 

Universal

15 Sequels

3 Remakes

30 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 48

 

Fox (not counting the 2019 fox releases under Disney as they weren’t Disney financed, and not counting Searchlight, which would boost the original count)

10 Sequels

2 Remake

25 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 37

 

Sony

19 Sequels

4 Remake

28 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 51

 

Let’s not be obtuse about those ratios, Disney (more so than any of the other sequels) focuses primarily on sequels and remakes (we aren’t even looking at future releases in which Disney remakes are about to skyrocket)

 

And that’s completely overlooking the fact that people are less upset about that and more upset about the market share size Disney currently has owning Fox.

 

I completely understand Disney ‘Haters’, as over the last decade they’ve only bought out competition and piped out remakes, sequels and sequels to the remakes

[MrGlass2]

2 minutes ago, john2000 said:

as long as they make money why stop ? do you really believe  that others studios wouldnt ? the only reason the others have a more diverse movies its not bc of art or for the sake of more variety and try news things but its bc the DONT HAVE the ip that disney has see what universal does with fast and furios and sony with spiderman and etc and then tell me that they wouldnt do with with ip like disney

So it is pretty easy to see which corporation is currently dragging down the rest of Hollywood. To be fair the domination of sequels and franchises began 30+ years ago, but at the moment nobody is even close to Disney in the quest for 0% originality.

[john2000]

1 minute ago, The Panda said:

Let’s compare the studios over the last few years

 

Count over last three years releases (2017-2019)

 

Disney

18 Sequels

5 Remakes 

6 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 29

 

WB

19 Sequels

5 Remakes

31 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 55

 

Universal

15 Sequels

3 Remakes

30 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 48

 

Fox (not counting the 2019 fox releases under Disney as they weren’t Disney financed, and not counting Searchlight, which would boost the original count)

10 Sequels

2 Remake

25 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 37

 

Sony

19 Sequels

4 Remake

28 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 51

 

Let’s not be obtuse about those ratios, Disney (more so than any of the other sequels) focuses primarily on sequels and remakes (we aren’t even looking at future releases in which Disney remakes are about to skyrocket)

 

And that’s completely overlooking the fact that people are less upset about that and more upset about the market share size Disney currently has owning Fox.

 

I completely understand Disney ‘Haters’, as over the last decade they’ve only bought out competition and piped out remakes, sequels and sequels to the remakes

yeah ok i agree with that but you dont find it weird that they dont say the same thing for other studios and one more thing first the biggest movies from the other studios are ? can you guess ? sequels,reboots,remakes etc the difference is bc they dont have much ip like disney they create these others smalles films in a hope to maximie their profit something that disney doesnt bc they dont need to its all about the money the difference is it seems like disney does it more and they do but thats bc other studios cant do it

[john2000]

1 minute ago, MrGlass2 said:

So it is pretty easy to see which corporation is currently dragging down the rest of Hollywood. To be fair the domination of sequels and franchises began 30+ years ago, but at the moment nobody is even close to Disney in the quest for 0% originality.

read my next comment they dont care about originality they care about the money read my next post i explain it in more detail and if you disagree then thats ok

[HouseOfTheSun]

6 minutes ago, The Panda said:

Let’s compare the studios over the last few years

 

Count over last three years releases (2017-2019)

 

Disney

18 Sequels

5 Remakes 

6 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 29

 

WB

19 Sequels

5 Remakes

31 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 55

 

Universal

15 Sequels

3 Remakes

30 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 48

 

Fox (not counting the 2019 fox releases under Disney as they weren’t Disney financed, and not counting Searchlight, which would boost the original count)

10 Sequels

2 Remake

25 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 37

 

Sony

19 Sequels

4 Remake

28 ‘Originals’

Total Wide Releases: 51

 

Let’s not be obtuse about those ratios, Disney (more so than any of the other sequels) focuses primarily on sequels and remakes (we aren’t even looking at future releases in which Disney remakes are about to skyrocket)

 

And that’s completely overlooking the fact that people are less upset about that and more upset about the market share size Disney currently has owning Fox.

 

I completely understand Disney ‘Haters’, as over the last decade they’ve only bought out competition and piped out remakes, sequels and sequels to the remakes

Let’s also not ignore the fact that Disney is releasing pretty much the same number of remakes and sequels as the other guys. Sure if you want to be mad at them for doing basically only that plus some animation originals, go ahead. It really wouldn’t be that hard to find a few Original live actions a year, and maybe they will with Fox Studios in their belt now. 

 

But it seems to me that they are adapting to the reality of the “going to the cinema” model. People don’t really want to go see artsy movies on the big screen anymore. If you’re spending 50+ dollars to take a family to the movies, you probably want to see a 200 million dollar blockbuster product. I doubt the bigwigs at Disney knew five or 10 years ago that they’d be this dominant in terms of revenue share with so few releases. On a box office forum is seems a little silly to knock a company making so much money with this efficiency 

[TalismanRing]

14 minutes ago, Barnack said:

At the level of recent live action Disney ?

 

1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$620,181,382	4,232	$220,009,584	4,232	12/15	4/19
2	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	4,210	$174,750,616	4,210	3/17	7/13
3	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2	BV	$389,813,101	4,347	$146,510,104	4,347	5/5	9/21
4	Thor: Ragnarok	BV	$315,058,289	4,080	$122,744,989	4,080	11/3	3/15
5	Coco	BV	$209,726,015	3,987	$50,802,605	3,987	11/22	4/26
6	Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales	BV	$172,558,876	4,276	$62,983,253	4,276	5/26	9/21
7	Cars 3	BV	$152,901,115	4,256	$53,688,680	4,256	6/16	11/2
8	Born in China	BV	$13,873,211	1,508	$4,790,367	1,508	4/21	7/6

 

It is not about doing remakes/sequels (well maybe it is emotionally), but "rationally" it is not about what they do but about what they do not.

 

They have an ROI in their current filmed entertainment business that I think no one else ever did and one that make movies that do not lend themselves to sequels/Parks segments has bad investment even if they are The Upside style of hit.

 

They have more great IPs.  If other studios had their IP they'd do it as well.   Yes they have a smaller slate than other studios - especially in 2017 - though that's reportedly going to change

 

Look at Uni from the same year.  Of their top 10 film s 5 are remakes or sequels - only 7 movies did 100m+ B.O.

 

1	Despicable Me 3	Uni.	$264,624,300	4,535	$264,624,300	100.0%	6/30/17
2	The Fate of the Furious	Uni.	$226,008,385	4,329	$226,008,385	100.0%	4/14/17
3	Get Out	Uni.	$175,686,870	3,143	$176,040,665	99.8%	2/24/17
4	Split	Uni.	$138,291,365	3,373	$138,291,365	100.0%	1/20/17
5	Sing	Uni.	$117,541,430	4,029	$270,395,425	43.5%	12/21/16
6	Girls Trip	Uni.	$115,171,585	2,648	$115,171,585	100.0%	7/21/17
7	Fifty Shades Darker	Uni.	$114,581,250	3,714	$114,581,250	100.0%	2/10/17
8	The Mummy (2017)	Uni.	$80,227,895	4,035	$80,227,895	100.0%	6/9/17
9	A Dog's Purpose	Uni.	$64,508,620	3,178	$64,508,620	100.0%	1/27/17
10	Pitch Perfect 3	Uni.	$63,300,605	3,468	$104,897,530	60.3%	12/22/17
	WB's 2017 Top 10 - Dunkirk based a historical event is the only "Original" movie in their top 10     1 Wonder Woman WB $412,563,408 4,165 $412,563,408 100.0% 6/2/17 2 It WB (NL) $327,481,748 4,148 $327,481,748 100.0% 9/8/17 3 Justice League WB $225,546,295 4,051 $229,024,295 98.5% 11/17/17 4 Dunkirk WB $188,045,546 4,014 $188,045,546 100.0% 7/21/17 5 The LEGO Batman Movie WB $175,750,384 4,088 $175,750,384 100.0% 2/10/17 6 Kong: Skull Island WB $168,052,812 3,846 $168,052,812 100.0% 3/10/17 7 Annabelle: Creation WB (NL) $102,092,201 3,565 $102,092,201 100.0% 8/11/17 8 Blade Runner 2049 WB $91,654,512 4,058 $92,054,159 99.6% 10/6/17 9 The LEGO Ninjago Movie WB $59,281,555 4,047 $59,281,555 100.0% 9/22/17 10 Going in Style (2017) WB (NL) $45,018,541 3,076 $45,018,541 100.0% 4/7/17 11 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword WB $39,175,066 3,702 $39,175,066 100.0% 5/12/17

[dudalb]

40 minutes ago, john2000 said:

not bad either its not a flop and if  it can make 500+ it will be a good small hit

Unlikley it will  do 500 Million. 400 Million seems more likely. Disney will get it's money back and make a minor profit.

Still a disspointment. You don't spend 170 Million on a movie in expectation of a "Small Hit".

[The Panda]

4 minutes ago, john2000 said:

yeah ok i agree with that but you dont find it weird that they dont say the same thing for other studios and one more thing first the biggest movies from the other studios are ? can you guess ? sequels,reboots,remakes etc the difference is bc they dont have much ip like disney they create these others smalles films in a hope to maximie their profit something that disney doesnt bc they dont need to its all about the money the difference is it seems like disney does it more and they do but thats bc other studios cant do it

I agree that the difference isn’t that other studios aren’t continuing their IPs (I don’t think people are complaining that franchise movies are being made)

 

The difference is Disney is doing it at the expense of making non-franchise films.  Could you tell me with a straight face that Disney would finance a movie like Us?

 

And even within franchises WB, Fox and Univeral have taken risks I haven’t seen Disney take.  For example, Fox made Logan and Deadpool, I have 0 faith that Disney would let Marvel Make an R-rated MCU film like either of those.  If they make a Deadpool 3, it’ll only be because that’s no longer risky after the success of Deadpool 1 and 2.

[TalismanRing]

24 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Well, this one actually sounds awesome. Begnini as Geppetto and the director of Dogman is making this? Sign me up. Sounds like it will be more artfully done than any of the hollywood remakes.

This is I think the 4th one in current development.  Del Toro has a version that's going to Netflix (stop motion musical) ,  WB/RDJ have had one in the works for years and there's a Disney one as well.

 

 

[john2000]

3 minutes ago, dudalb said:

Unlikley it will  do 500 Million. 400 Million seems more likely. Disney will get it's money back and make a minor profit.

Still a disspointment. You don't spend 170 Million on a movie in expectation of a "Small Hit".

yeah for some reason their budgets are always high

[CaptainJackSparrow]

We should get our first Aladdin predictions from BoxofficePro today, should be exciting.