Hobbs & Shaw Weekend Thread: 60.8M OW (6th-best August debut), 180.8M WW | TLK 38.2, OUATIH 20, FFH 7.7, TS4 7.1, Farewell 2.4

[Clayman]

17 minutes ago, Justin4125 said:

Whatever role Sony has in the creative process is in the spirit of greater cooperation, but Marvel Studios has final say.

Well according the official announcement of the deal, Sony has the final creative say.

 

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Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel’s Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films.

 

[cannastop]

Wait. The budget for Hobbs and Shaw is $200m?

 

lol

[lorddemaxus]

16 minutes ago, TMP said:

Super popular character, insanely high interest and what's been called a career-best performance from one of our best working actors? Ledger's turn as Joker is the most iconic bad guy of the century, and if this new one strikes the same chord then it'll make a lot of money; even if the movie around the performance isn't amazing.

What opening do you think then? I don't see the movie having much over a 2x multiplier considering the content of the movie and the bleak tone.

[Barnack]

56 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

This is such an asinine take. So you are saying the movie will have the worst drop for the second part in a two partner and it will in a completely free September. Even if it drops similarly as PoTC 3 from PoTC 2 (they both technically make two parter because the second a film ends in a cliffhanger), it would make 238 mil and that's the worst drop ever for a two partner.

Matrix 2 to Matrix 3 two parter drop too, that would be a 162M box office. That a misleading one to use, considering Matrix 2 BO was all on the back of the first

[Justin4125]

32 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

This is such an asinine take. So you are saying the movie will have the worst drop for the second part in a two partner and it will in a completely free September. Even if it drops similarly as PoTC 3 from PoTC 2 (they both technically make two parter because the second a film ends in a cliffhanger), it would make 238 mil and that's the worst drop ever for a two partner.

 

I also dont quite understand why so many people are expecting such a steep drop from Part 1 to Part 2. I think a lot of people think the series peaked with Part 1 given the film's outrageous BO, but all I see are indicators of a potential break out sequel (for a horror film, part 1 had great legs and fantastic home ent sales, great trailer reaction and hype, even better release date than part 1 (lack of competition before and after release) and (very much my opinion) an amazing director operating at the top of his game on a project perfectly suited to him)

[Eric the Ape]

https://deadline.com/2019/08/hobbs-shaw-targeting-4-5m-thursday-night-early-b-o-read-1202659422/

 

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UPDATE Friday Midday: Hobbs & Shaw is currently seeing $22M-$22.5M for the day, including last night’s money, and an opening between $55M-$57M. Two things here to consider: West coast business last night pushed the Universal pic past its earlier day expectations and the same thing could occur here by dusk. Also, Cineplex Odeon’s B.O. gross system is down which is throwing off Canadian estimates.

 

Lion King is seeing $35M-$37M in weekend 3, for a running total of $429.6M at the high-end by Sunday.

 

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is looking at fantastic hold between $20M-$23M, which is bests the second weekend of Inglourious Basterds ($19.3M). Cume on the high end by Sunday should be at $81.8M. Adult counter-programming power. Way to go, Sony.

 

[DAR]

23 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

Hobbs and Shaw 0/10

So 10+5.8 got it

[CJohn]

4 minutes ago, CoolEric258 said:

https://deadline.com/2019/08/hobbs-shaw-targeting-4-5m-thursday-night-early-b-o-read-1202659422/

 

 

4.800+ theaters for a silly 35M weekend 

[lorddemaxus]

Those OUATIH estimates seem off. The movie would need a huge Friday increase to even come close to the high end of the range.

 

Im gonna say 19.5 mil for now.

Edited August 2, 2019 by lorddemaxus

[Felandria]

Just saw H&S, loved it.

 

hoping for legs, because I need the next one ASAP

[TalismanRing]

 

36 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Well the writers and half the producers are from Sony/Pascal production.

 

Maybe, but they sold the movie adaptation right to sony, they already sold them (obviously not give) the power in dictating the direction of their crown jewel. At least in press release around that deal they were insisting that Sony kept final cut and full creative control, they could have been lying.

 

 

That sound a bit like a semantic distinction, specially since Disney took complete creative control of Marvel studio and moved their office directly on their lot (https://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-studios-offices-tour/).

If Sony had full creative control they could merge it with Venom - but they  can't because they don't.

 

Aside from self aggrandizing Sony press releases even Rothman and Pascal have said Feige's in charge - that's why they made the new deal in 2015.  It's also not just Feige but the entire MCU machine he brings with him.  Sony didn't just want SM to regain popularity  via use in the MCU they wanted that expertise to make the SM franchise critically and commercially successful again. 

 

Financially Disney also not only has merchandise but they get B.O. milestone bonuses.

 

 

[Maxmoser3]

Really actually pretty good early numbers Hobbs and Shaw, this is a buddy movie and also a spin-off more than a franchise film.if it’s budget is $200 million, it will have international markets help out to turn a profitable success.

 

I hope Hollywood doesn’t die off, we need more good quality films than all Disney and superhero films. 

[TwoMisfits]

10 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Those OUATIH estimates seem off. The movie would need a huge Friday increase to even come close to the high end of the range.

 

Im gonna say 19.5 mil for now.

1st Friday for Regal's new subscribers, who are gonna be overwhelming adults...and probably adults who figured waiting a week for a "free" movie wasn't too bad...

 

Aka, don't discount the power of the subscription base...

Edited August 2, 2019 by TwoMisfits

[SoSaysI]

11 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

Those OUATIH estimates seem off. The movie would need a huge Friday increase to even come close to the high end of the range.

 

Im gonna say 19.5 mil for now.

Deadline’s holdover numbers are generally pretty worthless unless they give a Friday number.  They are awful with early extrapolations.  

[TalismanRing]

53 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Matrix 2 to Matrix 3 two parter drop too, that would be a 162M box office. That a misleading one to use, considering Matrix 2 BO was all on the back of the first

Matrix 2 stunk (fuck those good reviews, I still remember being trapped in a full theater being subjected to the dreariest dullest orgy on earth) and the Matrix 3 was released 6 months later suffered for it.

 

Edit: So much bullshit with those notcool faces as if this is a new unpopular hot take. 

 

The B.O. for Matrix 3 cratered for a reason. 😛 

Edited August 2, 2019 by TalismanRing

[Barnack]

10 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

If Sony had full creative control they could merge it with Venom - but they  can't because they don't.

 

Well no, maybe the contract say they cannot use that actor in any other movie, that do not tell us if the distribution agreement do not say they have final word and final cut on that movie (or at least I really do not understand the argument).

 

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Aside from self aggrandizing Sony press releases even Rothman and Pascal have said Feige's in charge - that's why they made the new deal in 2015.

Feige is a guy, not Marvel or Disney. Certainly if Sony has the chance to employ Feige to oversea a movie production, they will.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Barnack

[TalismanRing]

3 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

1st Friday for Regal's new subscribers, who are gonna be overwhelming adults...and probably adults who figured waiting a week for a "free" movie wasn't too bad...

 

Aka, don't discount the power of the subscription base...

The base doesn't even exit yet.  We have no idea how many people signed up.   A year commitment is a lot.  After a year AMC has 860k subscribers.

 

I didn't bother because b/c there wasn't $23.50+ taxes + In App charges etc this month or even next to bother with it when they said they might not cover or might charge another fee for foreign or event films.  

[Legion Again]

1 hour ago, TMP said:

Joker's more likely to hit $300m dom than miss $200m dom

Doubt it, but even if that’s true it could still be just a maybe, e.g. if you thought it was:  

20% <200

55% 200-300

25% 300+

[JB33]

22 minutes ago, CJohn said:

4.800+ theaters for a silly 35M weekend 

Yep, and many people will defend it.

[TalismanRing]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

Well no, maybe the contract say they cannot use that actor in any other movie, that do not tell us if the distribution agreement do not say they have final word and final cut on that movie (or at least I really do not understand the argument).

 

Feige is a guy, not Marvel or Disney. Certainly if Sony has the chance to employ Feige to oversea a movie production, they will.

Feige would not agree if he didn't have final cut.  Unlike Marvel he is not owned by Disney.  They have to have a separate contract for him.  Feige also uses his Marvel people as well as the crew and VFX people he works with at Marvel.  That's why it's also a Marvel Studios Production and not just a film  Produced by Kevin Feige