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Fantastic Beasts is a dying franchise. The next one's all but guaranteed to make sub-$600m worldwide, so why are they still prioritizing it without doing any creative changes?

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2 hours ago, TMP said:

Fantastic Beasts is a dying franchise. The next one's all but guaranteed to make sub-$600m worldwide, so why are they still prioritizing it without doing any creative changes?

They surely are rejigging it behind the scenes...that's why it's delayed.  But if you mean prioritizing over something like The Flash, well...it's a pre-existing franchise that still, despite the muted reception to this one, has more money tied up in it worth taking one more shot at, than taking an much-chancier gamble on a spin-off of a currently-dead team franchise. 

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30 minutes ago, Macleod said:

taking an much-chancier gamble on a spin-off of a currently-dead team franchise

Like Wonder Woman, Aquaman or Birds of Prey? 🤔

 

The real reason would be that Warner has many attractive choices for their next DC movie, while FB3 is the only current project in the Wizarding World.

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5 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

Like Wonder Woman, Aquaman or Birds of Prey? 🤔

 

The real reason would be that Warner has many attractive choices for their next DC movie, while FB3 is the only current project in the Wizarding World.

No, like Justice League and its iterations.  That's why I was very precise in my wording. 

 

And possibly true, on the second statement.

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1 minute ago, Macleod said:

No, like Justice League and its iterations.  That's why I was very precise in my wording. 

No matter how you word it, there is nothing that makes The Flash a "much-chancier gamble" than what Aquaman was supposed to be (in fact, Aquaman was less famous and much ridiculed before the DCEU).

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I would love to be a fly on the wall for the WB/dc meetings. I’m so curious if this will be made ever.

 

I’ve been so hopeful for so long for this but it just seems like it’s one thing after another. And now that we basically know we probably won’t be seeing another Superman movie for a while that tells me they aren’t afraid to shelve other A list characters in favour of some lesser known lower budget projects. 

 

The comic book movie landscape is so huge now that it’s really not that risky to take a chance on some lesser known characters as long as the budgets are kept in line. And the rewards can be huge if the movie hits big. 

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19 hours ago, MrGlass2 said:

No matter how you word it, there is nothing that makes The Flash a "much-chancier gamble" than what Aquaman was supposed to be (in fact, Aquaman was less famous and much ridiculed before the DCEU).

Didn't say that.  But I would be willing to bet that the immediate audience reactions post-JL and/or opinion cards would tell you that even amidst all the other problems of that film, Momoa still came off better for most people (and ultimately exuded more confidence in a spin-off) than Miller and his character did...

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5 hours ago, Macleod said:

Didn't say that.  But I would be willing to bet that the immediate audience reactions post-JL and/or opinion cards would tell you that even amidst all the other problems of that film, Momoa still came off better for most people (and ultimately exuded more confidence in a spin-off) than Miller and his character did...

This was from that article a few days ago from that test screener from JL. Seems like flash and Aquaman were about the same. 

 

When we did our test screenings, one of the questions on the surveys that we asked various sample audiences were rank the characters in the film. Wonder Woman stood at the top, Aquaman and Flash were roughly neck and neck down the stretch - and it was more Flash just because of his comic relief, his geeky comic relief type of thing - but women and men alike liked Aquaman, they liked Jason Momoa. ... [He] had universal appeal to both men and women as being a marketable commodity and Batman and Superman fell way at the bottom of the list.”

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4 minutes ago, cax16 said:

This was from that article a few days ago from that test screener from JL. Seems like flash and Aquaman were about the same. 

 

When we did our test screenings, one of the questions on the surveys that we asked various sample audiences were rank the characters in the film. Wonder Woman stood at the top, Aquaman and Flash were roughly neck and neck down the stretch - and it was more Flash just because of his comic relief, his geeky comic relief type of thing - but women and men alike liked Aquaman, they liked Jason Momoa. ... [He] had universal appeal to both men and women as being a marketable commodity and Batman and Superman fell way at the bottom of the list.”

Read this. I wonder how they would have felt about Batman and Superman in the Snyder version.

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