The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread

[Cheddar Please]

I know this might seem a bit premature, but how are presales for the next weekdays looking for Barbie and Oppenheimer? I wonder if this week's grosses were in fact inflated by spillover or could this be a trend?

[El Gato]

12 hours ago, KeepItU25071906 said:

They should just stop this mess. Joker, The Batman casea - that's the right way for studio.

Great more Batman and Batman characters, just what the world needs  they already do that in the comics… and it’s annoying! Please don’t let that happen to the films too! I don’t know why WB/DC is so bad at making people care about their characters! Blue Beetle is an awesome character and now he’s going to have a box office bomb permanently attached to him (like Flash, Green Lantern, Shazam all do) 

[filmlover]

Following the release date moves today, this is what August through October looks like:

 

8/2-4: TMNT, Meg 2

8/11: The Last Voyage of the Demeter

8/18: Blue Beetle, Strays

8/25: Gran Turismo

9/1: Equalizer 3

9/8: Nun 2, My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3

9/15: A Haunting in Venice

9/22: Expendables 4, Dumb Money

9/29: The Creator, PAW Patrol, Saw

10/6: ...nothing

10/13: Exorcist, Ordinary Angels

10/20: Killers of the Flower Moon

10/27: Five Nights at Freddy's

 

Oof. One of the 9/29 movies should move back a week to the spot Kraven just vacated (preferably Saw since that would officially put it closer to spooky season despite the other horror competition that month).

[KeepItU25071906]

20 minutes ago, El Gato said:

Great more Batman and Batman characters, just what the world needs  they already do that in the comics… and it’s annoying! Please don’t let that happen to the films too! I don’t know why WB/DC is so bad at making people care about their characters! Blue Beetle is an awesome character and now he’s going to have a box office bomb permanently attached to him (like Flash, Green Lantern, Shazam all do) 

I'm talking about quality and concepts of this movies.

[Mojoguy]

1 hour ago, filmlover said:

Following the release date moves today, this is what August through October looks like:

 

8/2-4: TMNT, Meg 2

8/11: The Last Voyage of the Demeter

8/18: Blue Beetle, Strays

8/25: Gran Turismo

9/1: Equalizer 3

9/8: Nun 2, My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3

9/15: A Haunting in Venice

9/22: Expendables 4, Dumb Money

9/29: The Creator, PAW Patrol, Saw

10/6: ...nothing

10/13: Exorcist, Ordinary Angels

10/20: Killers of the Flower Moon

10/27: Five Nights at Freddy's

 

Oof. One of the 9/29 movies should move back a week to the spot Kraven just vacated (preferably Saw since that would officially put it closer to spooky season despite the other horror competition that month).

Think of it this way...

 

Mario had 4 weeks of zero competition and ended up making $1.3 Billie WW.

 

Barbenheimer will have 3 MONTHS of no competition. It should be interesting to see how high both movies can go.

[emoviefan]

33 minutes ago, Mojoguy said:

Think of it this way...

 

Mario had 4 weeks of zero competition and ended up making $1.3 Billie WW.

 

Barbenheimer will have 3 MONTHS of no competition. It should be interesting to see how high both movies can go.

I am not even joking when I say Paramount can rerelease Mission in the fall and squeeze some fresh juice out of it. Or they can just let it fade away and have it on P+ by the end of August which sadly is more likely.

[Ledmonkey96]

3 hours ago, filmlover said:

Following the release date moves today, this is what August through October looks like:

 

8/2-4: TMNT, Meg 2

8/11: The Last Voyage of the Demeter

8/18: Blue Beetle, Strays

8/25: Gran Turismo

9/1: Equalizer 3

9/8: Nun 2, My Big Fat Greek Wedding 3

9/15: A Haunting in Venice

9/22: Expendables 4, Dumb Money

9/29: The Creator, PAW Patrol, Saw

10/6: ...nothing

10/13: Exorcist, Ordinary Angels

10/20: Killers of the Flower Moon

10/27: Five Nights at Freddy's

 

Oof. One of the 9/29 movies should move back a week to the spot Kraven just vacated (preferably Saw since that would officially put it closer to spooky season despite the other horror competition that month).

Realistically a few more of those movies are going to be moving rather than anything moving to take somethings spot. 

[el sid]

The Meg 2 counted on Thursday/two days ago for Thursday, August 3 - 7 days left:
 

NY (AMC Fresh Meadows 7): 32 (3 showtimes)
Miami (AMC Sunset Place 24): 9 (6 showtimes)
Grand Rapids (AMC Grand Rapids 18): 7 (7 showtimes)
Austin (AMC Lakeline 9): 0 (3 showtimes)
Tempe/Phoenix (AMC Centerpoint 11): 5 (4 showtimes)
San Francisco (AMC Metreon 16): 12 (5 showtimes) 
LA (AMC Universal): 37 (6 showtimes)

Total tickets sold in 7 theaters: 102.
 

Comps (all three films counted on Monday of the release week for Thursday): Fast X (7.5M from previews) had 1.542 sold tickets,
65 (1.225M) had 157 sold tickets
and Beast (925k) had 147 sold tickets.
Operation Fortune (220k) had on Wednesday of the release week 96 sold tickets for Thursday (I did not count it earlier).
 

The Meg 2 counted on Thursday/two days ago for Friday, August 4 - 8 days left:
 

NY (AMC Fresh Meadows 7): 26 (5 showtimes)
Miami (AMC Sunset Place 24): 3 (4 showtimes)
Grand Rapids (AMC Grand Rapids 18): 10 (5 showtimes)
Austin (AMC Lakeline 9): 3 (4 showtimes)
Tempe/Phoenix (AMC Centerpoint 11): 3 (7 showtimes)
San Francisco (AMC Metreon 16): 23 (4 showtimes) 
LA (AMC Universal): 31 (9 showtimes)

Total tickets sold in 7 theaters: 99.
 

Comps (all films counted for Friday): Fast X (67M) had with 9 days left 925 sold tickets,
Uncharted (44M) with 10 days left 408
65 (12.3M) had on Monday of the release week 142 sold tickets
Beast (11.6M) had also on Monday of the release week 111 sold tickets.
And Operation Fortune (3.1M) had on Wednesday of the release week 98 sold tickets.

I guess it will have quite good jumps in the next few days and also good walk-ups but I'm also surprised that its presales are that low at the moment.
 

[katnisscinnaplex]

22 hours ago, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Meg 2	T-6	Jax	5	29	25	64	4,698	1.36%
		Phx	5	29	9	21	4,211	0.50%
		Ral	8	21	0	20	2,522	0.79%
	Total		18	79	34	105	11,431	0.92%
Turtles	T-4	Jax	5	50	28	124	6,726	1.84%
		Phx	6	61	27	163	8,532	1.91%
		Ral	8	49	24	178	6,926	2.57%
	Total		19	160	79	465	22,184	2.10%
Turtles (EA)	T-1	Jax	4	6	30	165	384	42.97%
		Phx	1	1	24	79	169	46.75%
		Ral	3	3	31	167	433	38.57%
	Total		8	10	85	411	986	41.68%
	T-3	Jax	5	7	27	212	961	22.06%
		Phx	1	1	5	136	208	65.38%
	Total		7	9	32	348	1,169	29.77%

 

Turtles (Total) T-4 comps

 - Barbie (Total) - .229x (5.1m)

 - Sonic 2 (Total) - 1.2x (7.5m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Total) - 1.89x 

 - Indiana Jones - .98x (7.03m)

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - missed

 - Ghostbusters (Total) - 1.524x (6.86m)

 - Dune - missed

 - Transformers (Total) - .815x (7.17m)

 - M:I 7 (Total) - .786x (6.92m)

 

Size adjusted average - 7.26m

 

Turtles pace chart

 

Movie	3-day pace	Prev 3-day	Prev 3-day	Last Day
Turtles Total	53.00%	25.25%	14.21%	19.07%
Barbie Total	41.64%	34.15%	24.47%	11.73%
Sonic 2 (Total)	40.50%	22.73%	16.22%	13.84%
Indiana Jones	38.56%	9.39%	12.68%	10.97%
Fantastic Beasts 3		29.29%	29.64%
Ghostbusters Total	35.87%	19.29%
Transformers Total	32.69%
M:I 7 Total	41.16%	18.13%	14.84%	16.80%

 

Really good day for Turtles, but more than half of that was in the EA shows.  Right now it looks like three solid days of sales so there's no telling how this will all pan out.  Things are looking good for 7m+ total though, but that's also before Tuesday discounts.  

 

Meg 2 T-6 comps

 - Massive Talent - 2.442x (1.71m)

 - Free Guy - .517x (1.14m)

 - Snake Eyes - 1.105x (1.55m)

 - Beast - 2.143x (1.98m)

 - Old - 2.143x (3.21m)

 - Knock at the Cabin - .82x (1.19m)

 

Added a few thrillers to the list.  Those tend to be more walkup heavy which I'm expecting here.  Hoping this can push for 2m at least.  

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Meg 2	T-5	Jax	5	29	13	77	4,698	1.64%
		Phx	5	29	8	29	4,211	0.69%
		Ral	8	21	11	31	2,522	1.23%
	Total		18	79	32	137	11,431	1.20%
Turtles	T-3	Jax	5	50	28	152	6,726	2.26%
		Phx	6	61	16	179	8,532	2.10%
		Ral	8	49	28	206	6,926	2.97%
	Total		19	160	72	537	22,184	2.42%
Turtles (EA)	T-0	Jax	4	6	61	226	384	58.85%
		Phx	1	1	28	107	169	63.31%
		Ral	3	3	87	254	433	58.66%
	Total		8	10	176	587	986	59.53%
	T-2	Jax	5	7	19	231	961	24.04%
		Phx	1	1	5	141	208	67.79%
	Total		7	9	24	372	1,169	31.82%

 

Turtles (Total) T-3 comps

 - Barbie (Total) - .243x (5.42m)

 - Sonic 2 (Total) - 1.26x (7.86m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Total) - 1.97x (6.1m)

 - Indiana Jones - 1.1x (7.89m)

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .8x (4.78m)

 - Ghostbusters (Total) - 1.605x (7.22m)

 - Dune - 1.27x (6.47m)

 - Transformers (Total) - .886x (7.8m)

 - M:I 7 (Total) - .831x (7.31m)

 

Size adjusted average - 6.7m (two lower comps were missing yesterday which drove up the avg.  Today increased against everything)

 

Turtles pace chart

 

Movie	3-day pace	Prev 3-day	Prev 3-day	Last Day
Turtles Total	63.86%	29.79%	15.13%	22.22%
Barbie Total	40.57%	32.98%	28.82%	14.87%
Sonic 2 (Total)	49.69%	21.13%	19.94%	16.67%
Haunted Mansion Total	49.31%	26.33%	18.93%	17.28%
Indiana Jones	37.01%	14.74%	12.35%	8.93%
Fantastic Beasts 3	43.61%	30.83%	26.77%
Ghostbusters Total				16.06%
Transformers Total	37.57%			12.38%
M:I 7 Total	50.33%	20.45%	14.27%	15.67%

 

Another great day, but partially because EA shows start today.  Here's the pace chart for true previews

 

Movie	3-day pace	Prev 3-day	Prev 3-day	Last Day
Turtles	52.56%	25.57%	16.79%	15.48%
Barbie Total	40.57%	32.98%	28.82%	14.87%
Sonic 2	46.52%	21.52%	20.25%	14.34%
Haunted Mansion	49.25%	22.22%	20.08%	18.62%
Indiana Jones	37.01%	14.74%	12.35%	8.93%
Fantastic Beasts 3	43.61%	30.83%	26.77%
Ghostbusters				13.95%
Transformers 6	41.26%			13.64%
M:I 7	52.67%	23.32%	12.70%	15.82%

 

So for previews it was still a little ahead of most comps.  If Tuesday can have the same ramp up that EA shows are having, we could be seeing another Minions type late run.   That being said, comps for true previews are currently looking like ~3m, but I'm guessing that has a lot to do with how widespread the EA shows are.  I wouldn't be surprised with 3m-3.5m total for the EA days when all is said and done.

 

Meg 2 T-5 comps

 - Massive Talent - missed

 - Free Guy - .576x (1.27m)

 - Snake Eyes - 1.269x (1.78m)

 - Beast - 2.362x (2.18m)

 - Old - 2.537x (3.81m)

 - Knock at the Cabin - .99x (1.43m)

 

Added a few thrillers to the list.  Those tend to be more walkup heavy which I'm expecting here.  Hoping this can push for 2m at least.  

[katnisscinnaplex]

22 hours ago, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Gran Turismo	T-13	Jax	5	30	1	13	4,872	0.27%
		Phx	5	26	1	45	6,014	0.75%
		Ral	7	25	1	11	4,074	0.27%
	Total		17	81	3	69	14,960	0.46%
Gran Turismo (EA)	T-11	Jax	2	2	0	9	841	1.07%
	T-12	Jax	4	7	2	44	960	4.58%
		Phx	1	1	6	29	208	13.94%
		Ral	1	1	1	9	261	3.45%
	Total		6	9	9	82	1,429	5.74%
	T-5	Jax	1	1	0	2	51	3.92%
		Phx	1	1	0	0	123	0.00%
	Total		3	3	0	2	174	1.15%
Last Voyage	T-13	Jax	5	12	3	11	1,387	0.79%
		Phx	5	14	1	2	1,138	0.18%
		Ral	6	15	1	7	1,361	0.51%
	Total		16	41	5	20	3,886	0.51%

 

Gran Turismo (Total) T-13 comps

 - F9 - .253x (1.8m)

 - John Wick 4 - .204x (1.81m)

 - M:I 7 (Total) - .211x (1.85m)

 - Haunted Mansion (Total) - .574x 

 - Fantastic Beasts 3 - .274x (1.64m)

 - Turtles (Total) - .316x (2.2m w/ today's avg)

 

Last Voyage T-13 comps

 - M3GAN - .606x (1.67m)

 - Black Phone - .253x (658k)

 - Knock at the Cabin - .25x (363k)

 - Insidious 5 - .317x (1.59m)

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Last Voyage	T-12	Jax	5	12	0	11	1,387	0.79%
		Phx	5	14	2	4	1,138	0.35%
		Ral	6	15	1	8	1,361	0.59%
	Total		16	41	3	23	3,886	0.59%

 

Last Voyage T-13 comps

 - M3GAN - missed

 - Black Phone - .277x (720k)

 - Knock at the Cabin - missed

 - Insidious 5 - .315x (1.58m)

[katnisscinnaplex]

22 hours ago, katnisscinnaplex said:

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Strays	T-20	Jax	5	12	0	6	1,615	0.37%
		Phx	5	20	2	5	2,081	0.24%
		Ral	5	15	2	10	2,196	0.46%
	Total		15	47	4	21	5,892	0.36%
Strays (EA)	T-19	Jax	2	2	2	3	225	1.33%
		Phx	2	2	0	0	279	0.00%
		Ral	3	3	0	0	418	0.00%
	Total		7	7	2	3	922	0.33%

 

Strays (Total) T-20 comps

 - Easter Sunday (5 tickets) - 4.8x (2.4m)

 - D&D (Total) - .414x (2.32m)

 - M3GAN - .857x (2.36m)

 

No idea where this is heading.  Very early to be comping with this low sales.

Movie	Day	Area	TC	Shows	New	Sold	Seats	% Sold
Strays	T-19	Jax	6	15	0	6	1,897	0.32%
		Phx	5	20	3	8	2,081	0.38%
		Ral	5	15	0	10	2,196	0.46%
	Total		16	50	3	24	6,174	0.39%
Strays (EA)	T-18	Jax	2	2	0	3	225	1.33%
		Phx	2	2	0	0	279	0.00%
		Ral	3	3	0	0	418	0.00%
	Total		7	7	0	3	922	0.33%

 

Strays (Total) T-19 comps

 - Easter Sunday (7 tickets) - 3.86x (1.93m)

 - D&D (Total) - .365x (2.04m)

 - M3GAN - .964x (2.65m)

 

No idea where this is heading.  Very early to be comping with this low sales.

[filmlover]

5 hours ago, Ledmonkey96 said:

Realistically a few more of those movies are going to be moving rather than anything moving to take somethings spot. 

I can totally see Expendables losing September because they probably want the ensemble to do some promotion for it. But I imagine there will be some moves to fill in the gaps in the schedule for weekends that currently have 2 or more movies currently placed on them. Even with the Kraven and Ghostbusters delays Sony didn't touch a number of movies (Equalizer 3, Dumb Money, Journey to Bethlehem, Thanksgiving, Napoleon, Anyone But You) they still have set for this year.

[TheFlatLannister]

Does anyone have The first slam dunk preview numbers? Need them for comp purposes 

[ThatWaluigiDude]

Have the reviews made any sort of visible impact on Ninja Turtles sales?

[TheFlatLannister]

On 7/28/2023 at 6:31 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

GREATER ORLANDO REGION

 

TMNT 

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-4

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
206	1032	37496	2.8%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

180

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

3

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

EA

T-3

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
10	584	1756	33.3%

 

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

30

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

 

COMPS

T-4

*Without EA

 

(1.277x) of Elemental

~$3.07M TUE Previews  W/O EA

 

(0.471x) of RoTB

~$4.14M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

(0.558x) of Mi7

~$3.91M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

AVG: $3.71M TUE only + $1Mish EA = $4.71M+

 

Heading towards $5M+ total previews 

GREATER ORLANDO REGION

 

TMNT 

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-3

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
206	1116	37496	3.0%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

84

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

EA

T-2

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
10	632	1756	36.0%

 

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

48

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

 

COMPS

T-3

*Without EA

 

(1.246x) of Elemental

~$2.99M TUE Previews  W/O EA

 

(0.470x) of RoTB

~$4.14M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

(0.569x) of Mi7

~$3.98M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

AVG: $3.70M TUE only + $1.2M EA = $4.9M

[TheFlatLannister]

On 7/28/2023 at 6:35 PM, TheFlatLannister said:

GREATER ORLANDO REGION

 

THE MEG 2: THE TRENCH

 

THURSDAY Previews 

 

T-6

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
151	218	26294	0.83%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00pm EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

21

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

 

COMPS

T-6

 

(0.136x) of Mi7

~$953k THUR Previews

 

(0.119x) of Fast X

~$895k THUR Previews

 

(0.120x) of RoTB

~$1.05M THUR Previews

 

Comp AVG: $966k

 

Well, at least its slightly on the uptick. Still no Disney springs showings. 

GREATER ORLANDO REGION

 

THE MEG 2: THE TRENCH

 

THURSDAY Previews 

 

T-5

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
151	254	26294	0.96%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00pm EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

36

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

 

COMPS

T-5

 

(0.149x) of Mi7

~$1.04M THUR Previews

 

(0.132x) of Fast X

~$991k THUR Previews

 

(0.128x) of RoTB

~$1.12M THUR Previews

 

Comp AVG: $1.05M

 

Still increasing against comps

[TheFlatLannister]

1 hour ago, ThatWaluigiDude said:

Have the reviews made any sort of visible impact on Ninja Turtles sales?

Yesterday I saw a bump

[katnisscinnaplex]

36 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:

GREATER ORLANDO REGION

 

TMNT 

 

Tuesday Previews 

 

T-3

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
206	1116	37496	3.0%

^{*numbers taken as of 6:00PM EST}

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

84

 

SHOWINGS ADDED SINCE YESTERDAY

0

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

EA

T-2

SHOWINGS	SEATS SOLD	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD
10	632	1756	36.0%

 

SEATS SOLD SINCE YESTERDAY

48

 

SELLOUTS

0

 

 

COMPS

T-3

*Without EA

 

(1.246x) of Elemental

~$2.99M TUE Previews  W/O EA

 

(0.470x) of RoTB

~$4.14M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

(0.569x) of Mi7

~$3.98M TUE Previews W/O EA

 

AVG: $3.70M TUE only + $1.2M EA = $4.9M

Not sure if you tracked it, but there were a lot of EA shows today all over that were selling pretty great.  Lots of sell outs when I checked around.  You may see sales pick up a little (more than normal) in your next update since those shows have passed.

[Boxofficerules]

Is it me or are those Meg 2 numbers terrible?

[TheFlatLannister]

55 minutes ago, katnisscinnaplex said:

Not sure if you tracked it, but there were a lot of EA shows today all over that were selling pretty great.  Lots of sell outs when I checked around.  You may see sales pick up a little (more than normal) in your next update since those shows have passed.

Noticed this. MTC1 has two showings that are close to 98% capacity. Most MTC2 showings are around 30% capacity which is weird