THE UNMARVELOUS WEEKEND THREAD | FEATURING MELTDOWNS, ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS, AND SEXISM

[adaros]

is 200M still possible?

[Zakiyyah6]

4 minutes ago, Kon said:

 

The comparison between Barbie and The Marvels isn't really right. The biggest audience for Barbie were women, which doesn't seem to be the case for The Marvels.

 

I wouldn't blame sexism for The Marvels (or Captain Marvel) inability to attract a bigger female audience.

 

Maybe sexism could be involved on men rejecting this movie too. However, it would be a little weird to blame men when The Marvels goal was to attract women.

The truth is that women didn't want to see The Marvels but that fact is too painful for people who were ready to blame something else to reckon with. 

[Hatebox]

The vibe from a few pop culture commentators I follow on Twitter is very much “I’m disappointed in you, children” for not turning out to see this. 

[WorkingonaName]

I want Brie Larson to pull a billy echiner. 

Edited November 11, 2023 by WorkingonaName

[Johnny Tran]

How come none of the regular have stopped by with the actuals? 

[Gavin Feng]

Brie Larson should john Barbie sequel and give executives in Marvel & Disney big punches and yell "fuck all of you."

[Jonwo]

I've seen some dreadful comments about killing off Captain Marvel as a way to appease the fandom, that's some whacked up stuff right there.

[grim22]

The Marvels didn't bomb because of feminism backlash any more than Captain Marvel did well because of feminism support. They are both products of their time in the franchise despite being just 4 years apart.

 

Captain Marvel was released between Infinity War and just before Endgame and on International Women's day. It was released in a franchise which was about to hit it's absolute peak just 6 weeks later. At that moment, Marvel could literally release Howard the Duck and get it to 250M domestic. And on the second weekend, Marvel released a trailer for Endgame which focused a lot on Captain Marvel and then it coasted on the Endgame fumes for a while to ensure great late legs.

 

The Marvels meanwhile is releasing when people have been treated to substandard MCU movies, depends on people having watched the least viewed Disney+ show and remembering a character who barely featured in a different Disney+ show, and a third show which was the worst reviewed and received in the MCU of all time and isn't even named Captain Marvel 2. The franchise is facing a lot of suspicion on the part of the general audience after 5 movies of the last 7 having a B+ or lower Cinemascore. 

 

There's a feeling of no one knowing where anything is going in the MCU. Previously, the post credits stuff would be resolved within 2 movies at most or at least be continued within that time. Now we have had Captain Marvel, The Hulk and Wong show up in the post credits of Shang Chi without any follow-up in their next appearances (no one even knows when Shang Chi will show up next), Charlize Theron randomly show up at the end of Doctor Strange 2, Harry Styles show up at the end of Eternals, that random dead thing in the middle of the ocean in Eternals, not even getting into the Jonathan Majors of it all. The franchise is currently rudderless and directionless except for the fans saying "It's the multiverse?".

 

All of this has culminated in the rejection of this movie. Any movie released at this moment would have had the same result, it's not a Marvels specific thing, just that this is when the audience decided they had enough.

[Hatebox]

7 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

Brie Larson should john Barbie sequel and give executives in Marvel & Disney big punches and yell "fuck all of you."

Fuck all of you for letting me headline two big blockbusters? I don’t think Disney wanted this to bomb

 

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Hatebox

[John Marston]

4 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

I've seen some dreadful comments about killing off Captain Marvel as a way to appease the fandom, that's some whacked up stuff right there.

 

Well she’s not getting another movie and nobody wants her to show up for deus ex machina cameos. Brie doesn’t even seem that enthused about continuing. I think doing the Rogue power suck thing Is the way to go

[Krissykins]

2 minutes ago, John Marston said:

 

Well she’s not getting another movie and nobody wants her to show up for deus ex machina cameos. Brie doesn’t even seem that enthused about continuing. I think doing the Rogue power suck thing Is the way to go

I think she’s desperate to get out. Don’t Marvel sometimes lock them in for like 9 films though? She might be forced to show up in a few more. 

[jedijake]

6 minutes ago, grim22 said:

The Marvels didn't bomb because of feminism backlash any more than Captain Marvel did well because of feminism support. They are both products of their time in the franchise despite being just 4 years apart.

 

Captain Marvel was released between Infinity War and just before Endgame and on International Women's day. It was released in a franchise which was about to hit it's absolute peak just 6 weeks later. At that moment, Marvel could literally release Howard the Duck and get it to 250M domestic. And on the second weekend, Marvel released a trailer for Endgame which focused a lot on Captain Marvel and then it coasted on the Endgame fumes for a while to ensure great late legs.

 

The Marvels meanwhile is releasing when people have been treated to substandard MCU movies, depends on people having watched the least viewed Disney+ show and remembering a character who barely featured in a different Disney+ show, and a third show which was the worst reviewed and received in the MCU of all time and isn't even named Captain Marvel 2. The franchise is facing a lot of suspicion on the part of the general audience after 5 movies of the last 7 having a B+ or lower Cinemascore. 

 

There's a feeling of no one knowing where anything is going in the MCU. Previously, the post credits stuff would be resolved within 2 movies at most or at least be continued within that time. Now we have had Captain Marvel, The Hulk and Wong show up in the post credits of Shang Chi without any follow-up in their next appearances (no one even knows when Shang Chi will show up next), Charlize Theron randomly show up at the end of Doctor Strange 2, Harry Styles show up at the end of Eternals, that random dead thing in the middle of the ocean in Eternals, not even getting into the Jonathan Majors of it all. The franchise is currently rudderless and directionless except for the fans saying "It's the multiverse?".

 

All of this has culminated in the rejection of this movie. Any movie released at this moment would have had the same result, it's not a Marvels specific thing, just that this is when the audience decided they had enough.

Haven't been here for a while, but this says it all perfectly 100%.

[grim22]

As @MrPinksaid, Eternals created a permission structure for both critics and audiences to say that a MCU movie sucks or is not essential viewing anymore. Endgame actually created the jumping off point but the Eternals reception is when it started permeating more than that. The movies following it didn't help out the case.

 

Also, this is the reaction of most people to the post credits stuff now

 

 

[Zakiyyah6]

They aren't going to kill her off and I would never advocate for such a lazy Disney Star Wars style solution but anyone who thinks that Carol Danvers is leading the next Avengers movie is in for a rude awakening. 

[WorkingonaName]

1 minute ago, grim22 said:

As @MrPinksaid, Eternals created a permission structure for both critics and audiences to say that a MCU movie sucks or is not essential viewing anymore. Endgame actually created the jumping off point but the Eternals reception is when it started permeating more than that. The movies following it didn't help out the case.

NMH pretty much gave Marvel a blank check to whip away all the eternals badwill, Then they blew it on MOM. 

[filmlover]

This won't miss $100M like a lot of doomsdayers are probably predicting since most of December is pretty empty so it'll be around for a while (Beyonce and Wonka are the only high-profile releases of the month until the plethora of Christmas weekend releases) but unlikely to make, at the very most, $120M total. Just a terrible drop from the original that they never could've expected. It's Marvel's Lightyear, tbh.

[Jonwo]

1 minute ago, filmlover said:

This won't miss $100M like a lot of doomsdayers are probably predicting since most of December is pretty empty so it'll be around for a while (Beyonce and Wonka are the only high-profile releases of the month until the plethora of Christmas weekend releases) but unlikely to make, at the very most, $120M total. Just a terrible drop from the original that they never could've expected. It's Marvel's Lightyear, tbh.

Does that make Deadpool 3 Elemental?

 

I think people need to stop being stupid with the suggestions, if a studio was closed down everytime a movie did badly, Hollywood would cease to exist. 

[John Marston]

17 minutes ago, grim22 said:

The Marvels didn't bomb because of feminism backlash any more than Captain Marvel did well because of feminism support. They are both products of their time in the franchise despite being just 4 years apart.

 

Captain Marvel was released between Infinity War and just before Endgame and on International Women's day. It was released in a franchise which was about to hit it's absolute peak just 6 weeks later. At that moment, Marvel could literally release Howard the Duck and get it to 250M domestic. And on the second weekend, Marvel released a trailer for Endgame which focused a lot on Captain Marvel and then it coasted on the Endgame fumes for a while to ensure great late legs.

 

The Marvels meanwhile is releasing when people have been treated to substandard MCU movies, depends on people having watched the least viewed Disney+ show and remembering a character who barely featured in a different Disney+ show, and a third show which was the worst reviewed and received in the MCU of all time and isn't even named Captain Marvel 2. The franchise is facing a lot of suspicion on the part of the general audience after 5 movies of the last 7 having a B+ or lower Cinemascore. 

 

There's a feeling of no one knowing where anything is going in the MCU. Previously, the post credits stuff would be resolved within 2 movies at most or at least be continued within that time. Now we have had Captain Marvel, The Hulk and Wong show up in the post credits of Shang Chi without any follow-up in their next appearances (no one even knows when Shang Chi will show up next), Charlize Theron randomly show up at the end of Doctor Strange 2, Harry Styles show up at the end of Eternals, that random dead thing in the middle of the ocean in Eternals, not even getting into the Jonathan Majors of it all. The franchise is currently rudderless and directionless except for the fans saying "It's the multiverse?".

 

All of this has culminated in the rejection of this movie. Any movie released at this moment would have had the same result, it's not a Marvels specific thing, just that this is when the audience decided they had enough.

 

 

 

also this movie just doesn’t look good. It looks cheap and childish. Something like Ant Man 3 still had epic trailers 

[grim22]

4 minutes ago, filmlover said:

This won't miss $100M like a lot of doomsdayers are probably predicting since most of December is pretty empty so it'll be around for a while (Beyonce and Wonka are the only high-profile releases of the month until the plethora of Christmas weekend releases) but unlikely to make, at the very most, $120M total. Just a terrible drop from the original that they never could've expected. It's Marvel's Lightyear, tbh.

I'm a bit confused why they didn't move up one week. Would have given them Veterans day on weekend 2 and given them 2 weeks of IMAX and PLF. Now it wastes the Veterans day boost and loses the highest grossing screens within a week. The drop next weekend won't be pretty.

[filmlover]

Just now, grim22 said:

I'm a bit confused why they didn't move up one week. Would have given them Veterans day on weekend 2 and given them 2 weeks of IMAX and PLF. Now it wastes the Veterans day boost and loses the highest grossing screens within a week. The drop next weekend won't be pretty.

They probably wanted to give its promo tour campaign enough time for the SAG-AFTRA to be resolved (except when it did, it was too late). Or they just knew the movie was doomed no matter what, which is also possible.