China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

[TigerPaw]

 

 

Officially 1.9bn yuan and passed Venom to be the highest grossing solo Superhero movie in China!

[titanic2187]

'Long Day's Journey Into Night' be like.

[POTUS 2020]

5 hours ago, fmpro said:

Maoyan is now predicting 2B+ finish for Aqua

It will get close to 300 mill no doubt

Maoyan at 2033m now. It needs 2067m to get to $300m

Its going to make 13m+ tomorrow.  Just a 20% bump this Friday and nothing big happening next Friday will get it to $300m or a 40% bump this Friday will do it.

Aq had the best holds/bumps and PTA for the long weekend.  9.4 rating proves fierce

Aq					XR 6.89	Vm				XR 6.94	IW				XR 6.35	Aq vs	Aq vs
Day	Yn	DoD	WoW	Tot	$Tot	Yn	DoD	WoW	Tot	$Tot	Yn	DoD	WoW	Tot	$Tot	Vm	IW
Fri	157			166	24	223			239	34	387			447	70	-73	-281
Sat	266	69.6%		432	63	303	35.9%		542	78	493	27.5%		940	148	-111	-509
Sun	220	-17.0%		652	95	224	-26.1%		766	110	332	-32.8%		1272	200	-114	-620
Mon	89	-59.5%		741	108	90	-59.8%		856	123	109	-67.1%		1381	217	-115	-639
Tues	74	-17.5%		815	119	80	-11.1%		936	135	81	-25.7%		1462	230	-121	-647
Wed	62	-15.9%		877	128	69	-13.8%		1005	145	65	-20.0%		1526	240	-128	-650
Thur	55	-11.5%		931	136	62	-10.1%		1067	154	53	-19.0%		1579	249	-136	-647
Fri	86	57.5%	-44.9%	1018	148	85	37.1%	-61.9%	1152	166	72	36.4%	-81.5%	1650	260	-134	-633
Sat	164	90.4%	-38.1%	1182	172	162	90.6%	-46.5%	1314	189	142	98.2%	-71.2%	1792	282	-132	-610
Sun	124	-24.5%	-43.7%	1306	190	109	-32.7%	-51.3%	1423	205	132	-7.0%	-60.2%	1924	303	-117	-618
Mon	41.5	-66.5%	-53.5%	1348	196	35.6	-67.3%	-60.4%	1459	210	31.6	-76.1%	-71.0%	1956	308	-111	-608
Tue	36.5	-12.0%	-50.4%	1384	200.9	30.5	-14.3%	-61.9%	1489	215	25.2	-20.3%	-68.9%	1981	312	-105	-597
Wed	33	-9.6%	-46.7%	1417	205.7	26.6	-12.8%	-61.4%	1516	218	21.1	-16.3%	-67.4%	2002	315	-99	-585
Thu	30	-9.1%	-45.3%	1447	210.0	23.7	-10.9%	-61.8%	1539	222	18.6	-11.8%	-64.6%	2021	318	-92	-574
Fri	33.4	11.3%	-61.3%	1480	215	31.1	31.2%	-63.4%	1571	226	23.1	24.2%	-67.7%	2044	322	-90	-564
Sat	70.2	110.2%	-57.3%	1551	225	61.5	97.7%	-62.0%	1632	235	50.8	119.9%	-64.2%	2095	330	-81	-544
Sun	58	-17.4%	-53.2%	1609	233	43.2	-29.8%	-60.4%	1675	241	39.9	-21.5%	-69.8%	2135	336	-67	-526
Xeve	36.1	-37.8%	-13.0%	1645	239	14.4	-66.7%	-59.6%	1690	243	12.0	-69.9%	-62.0%	2147	338	-45	-502
Xday	35.7	-1.1%	-2.2%	1680	244	13.0	-9.7%	-57.4%	1703	245	11.1	-7.5%	-56.0%	2158	340	-22	-477
Wed	19.5	-45.4%	-40.9%	1700	247	12.0	-7.7%	-54.9%	1715	247	10.5	-5.9%	-50.5%	2168	341	-15	-468
Thu	17.5	-10.3%	-41.7%	1717	249	11.3	-5.8%	-52.3%	1726	249	12.1	15.8%	-34.9%	2180	343	-8	-463
Fri	16.42	-6.2%	-50.8%	1734	252	18.1	60.2%	-41.8%	1744	251	35.2	190.9%	52.4%	2215	349	-10	-482
Sat	18.75	14.2%	-73.3%	1753	254	40.0	121.0%	-35.0%	1784	257	31.6	-10.2%	-37.8%	2247	354	-31	-494
Sun	43.4	131.5%	-25.2%	1796	261	27.5	-31.3%	-36.3%	1812	261	23.2	-26.6%	-41.9%	2270	358	-16	-474
NYE	53.2	22.6%	47.4%	1849	268	9.3	-66.2%	-35.4%	1821	262	7.8	-66.4%	-35.0%	2278	359	28	-429
NYD	50.9	-4.3%	42.6%	1900	276	8.2	-11.8%	-36.9%	1829	264	8.5	9.0%	-23.4%	2287	360	71	-386
Wed	13	-74.5%	-33.3%	1913	278	7.8	-4.9%	-35.0%	1837	265	8.9	4.1%	-15.3%	2295	361	76	-382
Thu	11.7	-10.0%	-33.1%	1925	279	7.3	-6.4%	-35.4%	1844	266	7.8	-11.9%	-35.5%	2303	363	81	-378
BB od	14	19.7%	-14.7%	1939	281	2.1	-71.2%	-88.4%	1846	266	8.5	9.5%	-75.7%	2312	364	93	-373
Sat	29	107.1%	54.7%	1968	286	4.7	123.8%	-88.3%	1851	267	18.4	115.5%	-41.8%	2330	367	117	-362
Sun	23	-20.7%	-47.0%	1991	289	3.7	-21.3%	-86.5%	1855	267	15.5	-15.8%	-33.2%	2346	369	136	-355
				2067	300.0				1870	269.5				2390	376	197	-323

 

Edited January 1, 2019 by POTUS

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[terrestrial]

Gavin Feng‏ @gavinfeng97 5m5 minutes ago

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China Box Office Long Day's Journey Into Night Dec.31 - $38.01M (opening) Jan.1 - $1.64M (-96%) Total - $40.08M 3.4/10 score on Maoyan ticket site(lowest for any film over $15M total) 6.8/10 score on Chinese Douban film site Just like what Mother! did #LongDaysJourneyIntoNight

[reddevil19]

1 minute ago, terrestrial said:

Gavin Feng‏ @gavinfeng97 5m5 minutes ago

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China Box Office Long Day's Journey Into Night Dec.31 - $38.01M (opening) Jan.1 - $1.64M (-96%) Total - $40.08M 3.4/10 score on Maoyan ticket site(lowest for any film over $15M total) 6.8/10 score on Chinese Douban film site Just like what Mother! did #LongDaysJourneyIntoNight

HAHAHA. Wow. That is just insane.

[lorddemaxus]

23 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Gavin Feng‏ @gavinfeng97 5m5 minutes ago

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China Box Office Long Day's Journey Into Night Dec.31 - $38.01M (opening) Jan.1 - $1.64M (-96%) Total - $40.08M 3.4/10 score on Maoyan ticket site(lowest for any film over $15M total) 6.8/10 score on Chinese Douban film site Just like what Mother! did #LongDaysJourneyIntoNight

I find it even crazier that Mother! released in China.

[Gavin Feng]

14 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

I find it even crazier that Mother! released in China.

Maoyan 3.4= CS F(maybe XYZ)

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[Barnack]

4 hours ago, stephanos13 said:

How much do they usually get from other markets and the US?

 

Can vary a bit on the distributor-product, famously Disney ask and get quite the nice deal for their big franchise and I imagine change over time so take this with a grain of salt.

 

According to the leaked Harry potter distribution accounts:

https://deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting-51886/

 

Rental for WB were of 162.122m domestic, 298.06m intl

 

That Potter movie according to mojo made:

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$292,004,738	31.1%
+ Foreign:	$647,881,191	68.9%
= Worldwide:	$939,885,929

 

 

That a 55.5% domestic retention rate and 46% international retention rate, now that was in 2007 with what was one of the biggest franchise in many market.

 

In the 2014 leaked Sony studio documentations they have figure of expected retention rate for some title and for their hole annual slate average and it looked like this:

 

Market	Retention rate	Profit margin
Japan	47%	15%
South Korea	47%	19%
Germany	44%	22%
Spain	44%	13%
Belgium	43%	26%
Switzerland	42%	29%
Russia	42%	22%
Austria	42%	27%
Italy	41%	11%
Australia	41%	22%
Brazil	40%	13%
Netherlands	40%	28%
UK	40%	23%
France	39%	19%
Average	42%	21%
Mexico	37%	13%
China	25%	21%

 

 

 

 

Japan-SK being quite similar to domestic for them, very high theatrical release cost big after theatrical ancillary markets, China being the other extreme almost no theatrical release cost, almost pure profit but less after market revenues relative to the box office than elsewhere, but still a nice deal considering the size, absence of risk and return margin. The rules of thumb of around 40% make sense for the title with a regular box office distribution I think, it is rare for a studio to distribute themselve in 100% of the market too., maybe that Disney with Fox will be able to do it

 

In the US it tended to be around 53% retention rate, much lower on the Sony Classic type of stuff that can go around 35%.

[fmpro]

Told you @Barnack know his shit @stephanos13 😂

[A Marvel Fanboy]

End of the day, profit margin matters more.

[Barnack]

49 minutes ago, firedeep said:

End of the day, profit margin matters more.

Yes but (if you mean by ranking market importance-revenues), it can be misleading.

 

The domestic market can tend to have a very slim one, even had a negative margin some year's and it is still by far the most important for american studios.

 

That profit margin is a bit of a misleading one, it is

(studio share of the box office - theatrical window marketing - prints, shipping, special taxes and other cost of the sorts) / Gross box office

 

It consider the marketing spent before and went the movie is playing as a pure theatrical expense in the theatrical margin, but that theatrical run and all is marketing-attention tend to historically be the best marketing possible for the next windows as well (i.e. movie that had a theatrical release tend to have a much better dvd, merchandising if any and tv performances than the direct to video one and not just for quality reason)

[UserHN]

18 hours ago, Barnack said:

 

Can vary a bit on the distributor-product, famously Disney ask and get quite the nice deal for their big franchise and I imagine change over time so take this with a grain of salt.

 

According to the leaked Harry potter distribution accounts:

https://deadline.com/2010/07/studio-shame-even-harry-potter-pic-loses-money-because-of-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting-51886/

 

Rental for WB were of 162.122m domestic, 298.06m intl

 

That Potter movie according to mojo made:

Total Lifetime Grosses

Domestic:	$292,004,738	31.1%
+ Foreign:	$647,881,191	68.9%
= Worldwide:	$939,885,929

 

 

That a 55.5% domestic retention rate and 46% international retention rate, now that was in 2007 with what was one of the biggest franchise in many market.

 

In the 2014 leaked Sony studio documentations they have figure of expected retention rate for some title and for their hole annual slate average and it looked like this:

 

Market	Retention rate	Profit margin
Japan	47%	15%
South Korea	47%	19%
Germany	44%	22%
Spain	44%	13%
Belgium	43%	26%
Switzerland	42%	29%
Russia	42%	22%
Austria	42%	27%
Italy	41%	11%
Australia	41%	22%
Brazil	40%	13%
Netherlands	40%	28%
UK	40%	23%
France	39%	19%
Average	42%	21%
Mexico	37%	13%
China	25%	21%

 

 

 

 

Japan-SK being quite similar to domestic for them, very high theatrical release cost big after theatrical ancillary markets, China being the other extreme almost no theatrical release cost, almost pure profit but less after market revenues relative to the box office than elsewhere, but still a nice deal considering the size, absence of risk and return margin. The rules of thumb of around 40% make sense for the title with a regular box office distribution I think, it is rare for a studio to distribute themselve in 100% of the market too., maybe that Disney with Fox will be able to do it

 

In the US it tended to be around 53% retention rate, much lower on the Sony Classic type of stuff that can go around 35%.

The word is that Disney demanded 60 to 65% shares from cinema owners for TLJ and IW in the US. I wonder how much they could extract from theater owners for Endgame, The Lion King, and Avatar 2.

[Premium George]

12 minutes ago, UserHN said:

The word is that Disney demanded 60 to 65% shares from cinema owners for TLJ and IW in the US. I wonder how much they could extract from theater owners for Endgame, The Lion King, and Avatar 2.

60% for every film, not just TLJ amd IW. With TLJ it was 65%>.

Edited January 2, 2019 by Premium George

[boyamama]

woah slow B.O today.......

[reddevil19]

1 hour ago, UserHN said:

The word is that Disney demanded 60 to 65% shares from cinema owners for TLJ and IW in the US. I wonder how much they could extract from theater owners for Endgame, The Lion King, and Avatar 2.

Post Fox takeover, 65% could become the norm, given the market-share, with higher spikes for their huge movies.

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[reddevil19]

If it doesn't develop legs, it could mean much worse deals moving forward - not to mention it could mean Paramount panic and change course with the franchise again, going back to Bayhem...  

[Zakiyyah6]

Releasing Bumblebee only a year after The Last Knight was a mistake.  I've said it before and I'll say it again they should have waited five years.