kowhite Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) I don't see how anyone could look at Tomorrowland's script and not see the obvious pedophilia being implied in the third act and not think it would turn audiences off. Tomorrowland has some serious problems. That being said, the relationship of Clooney and the girl I thought worked. That really wasn't what sunk that movie (maybe the part where the girl was dropped like napalm was though). Honestly I don't think it was pedophilic at all. I think some people are...well...overthinking things. Ok, maybe you're right, they should e predicted some people would do that. But I don't think the movie is to blame for that. I blame...you! Edit: disclaimer, I'm not saying Tomorrowland is good, the third act is a fucking mess. But I don't think that thing...is why. Edited October 13, 2015 by kowhite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Let me elaborate on my script claim. Newsflash for all of you (except maybe Tele and people involved in movies) : All Directors of every movie, (yep, even all these movies you thought were lame or bad or hated or disliked or had issues with), thought the same thing before going into production : "Script is done, it's pretty great, we have something, now let's do a great movie with this great script. Some tweaks may be needed but that script is worth 1,2,3 years of my life." You really think a movie goes into production when the director, screenwriter, producers, actors etc all think the script of their movie is crap ??? Like, "let s do a shitty movie with that average script ! Yay !" No, they all think & agree to a certain extent, the script is good enough & worth people's time & money. Between what s on the page before a movie goes into production & the finished movie you see, a gazillion things happen. Literally. A Gazillion. That s A Lot. Making a list of everything that goes into a movie production would take me several pages. Movies are fragile, fickle & chaotic things. So many pieces moving together. [...] I could list all of your personal Top 100 worst lists, they all started with a good (enough) script. If everybody in the production chain agrees that the script is good enough to get a whole costly movie production rolling because it is what makes the machine started in the first place as nobody ever starts a feature length movie without having a shooting script of some kind, doesn't that kinda contradict your point and make a shooting script "major" for the success and worthiness of the whole endeavor instead of "minor" because "No good script" = "No movie getting in production at all"? I know what you're trying to say. That the path from the page to the screen is such a long rocky road made of hazardous choices and the end result isn't a 100% faithful representation of the potential of a script no matter how good it was so the original script is just the tip of the iceberg whether the iceberg is full of gold or full of poop. But you can't remove the skeleton from the body. If this is what makes the ball rolling and gives overall structure, that's not quite minor at all. I'd say a good script doesn't guarantee a good movie in the end and it is one of the factors of perceived quality that can appear as "minor" in the grand scheme of the movie process. Hence, the reason why you can't lay it all on the script's quality as the only reason of a movie being good because it is the resulting combination of intricated factors that are all fairly critical.(Script, Direction as cinematography and supervising performances, Editing) Edited October 13, 2015 by MADash Rendar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 If everyone wrote a script and shared it with someone to get honest feedback, we all would realize 1) how incredibly difficult it is to get the essence of what's in your head down on the page, and 2) how hard it can be to make sure the reader is actually getting what you want them to. When you take a script through development into production, you realize the bizarre fact that many talented and smart people can read exactly the same thing and come away with a different understanding about what it is, and you also realize that there's really only one person who understands the story from absolute beginning to end (and the journeys the various characters undergo): the writer. If you're very lucky you might have a producer and/or director who's worked through the story with you, but that's not a guarantee at all. And most of all, you realize that from a writer's perspective, the most "perfect" form of the story is that final refined draft that you struggled through and slaved over, before you started to deal with notes from producers, execs, actors, directors, etc. Usually it's all downhill from there (the occasional miracle aside), so you'd better make sure it's as damn perfect as it can possibly be, because the very process of grinding through production will force concessions or compromises. We all make the assumption that every facet of a movie is intended to be the exact way it appears on screen... but in fact it could be many things: a fortunate accident, an unfortunate accident, a re-arranging of a shot or scene that was never originally intended, a glimpse of a reaction from before "action" or after "cut". Sometimes it's just an unavoidable bump that the filmmakers try to minimize -- after realizing in post that a moment isn't playing the way they thought it would, and there's no alternative and no money left to try and shoot a replacement. So in an odd way, that script that was sold or greenlit is both vital to the final movie yet probably not that similar to it as well. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 If everyone wrote a script and shared it with someone to get honest feedback, we all would realize 1) how incredibly difficult it is to get the essence of what's in your head down on the page, and 2) how hard it can be to make sure the reader is actually getting what you want them to. When you take a script through development into production, you realize the bizarre fact that many talented and smart people can read exactly the same thing and come away with a different understanding about what it is, and you also realize that there's really only one person who understands the story from absolute beginning to end (and the journeys the various characters undergo): the writer. If you're very lucky you might have a producer and/or director who's worked through the story with you, but that's not a guarantee at all. And most of all, you realize that from a writer's perspective, the most "perfect" form of the story is that final refined draft that you struggled through and slaved over, before you started to deal with notes from producers, execs, actors, directors, etc. Usually it's all downhill from there (the occasional miracle aside), so you'd better make sure it's as damn perfect as it can possibly be, because the very process of grinding through production will force concessions or compromises. We all make the assumption that every facet of a movie is intended to be the exact way it appears on screen... but in fact it could be many things: a fortunate accident, an unfortunate accident, a re-arranging of a shot or scene that was never originally intended, a glimpse of a reaction from before "action" or after "cut". Sometimes it's just an unavoidable bump that the filmmakers try to minimize -- after realizing in post that a moment isn't playing the way they thought it would, and there's no alternative and no money left to try and shoot a replacement. So in an odd way, that script that was sold or greenlit is both vital to the final movie yet probably not that similar to it as well. Unless you are James Cameron. I am not kidding. I remember in some Avatar making off, we see an excerpt from the script where we can read a detailed description of the scene where Neytiri is showing to Jake how to jump on leaves & bounce on them in the jungle. The final scene in the movie is a perfect representation of the words Cameron uses to describe the scene in the script. He saw an image, a scene, wrote it and asked some guys gazillion dollars to film it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 There is an old Hollywood saying that a good script is the foundation of any good movie, but having a good script alone is not enough;there are a million and one way you can fuck it up bringing it to the screen. If that is what the futurist meant I agree, but if he or she meant that a good script is not impornant to a film, he is wrong.wrong ,wrong. No amount of fancy SFX or star names can make up for a lousy script. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Unless you are James Cameron. I am not kidding. I remember in some Avatar making off, we see an excerpt from the script where we can read a detailed description of the scene where Neytiri is showing to Jake how to jump on leaves & bounce on them in the jungle. The final scene in the movie is a perfect representation of the words Cameron uses to describe the scene in the script. He saw an image, a scene, wrote it and asked some guys gazillion dollars to film it. Sure, if you're a writer/director with enough clout to tell the studio exactly what you want to do and they'll happily give you whatever you want. But even then, while some scenes make it through entirely intact, there are gonna be plenty of others where things changed -- because Cameron realized there was a better/different/neater way to do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Sure, if you're a writer/director with enough clout to tell the studio exactly what you want to do and they'll happily give you whatever you want. But even then, while some scenes make it through entirely intact, there are gonna be plenty of others where things changed -- because Cameron realized there was a better/different/neater way to do it. Or you write your script into visuals from the get-go. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 As a writer, I'm telling you NO one cares about the script. Audiences are stupid. Movies rise or fall on hundreds of things, script is the last of them However, most Hollywood scripts are pure shit anyway - so it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 As a writer, I'm telling you NO one cares about the script. Audiences are stupid. Movies rise or fall on hundreds of things, script is the last of them However, most Hollywood scripts are pure shit anyway - so it doesn't matter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-pan-could-lead-831412 Warner Bros.' 'Pan' Could Lead to $150 Million Loss Ouch ! Paging Batfleck, the Joker & Harley Quinn, Fantastic Beasts pronto ! Edited October 13, 2015 by The Futurist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Or you write your script into visuals from the get-go. Did not work for Jodorowsky though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warner-bros-pan-could-lead-831412 Warner Bros.' 'Pan' Could Lead to $150 Million Loss Ouch ! Paging Batfleck, the Joker & Harley Quinn, Fantastic Beasts pronto ! thank god for creed, right guys? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 thank god for creed, right guys? And I don't think Creed is a guaranteed hit. I can see it doing anything from a big hit to a modest sucess to a box office fail. It did not cost a lot, so even if it fails it won't bleed money like "Pan" is doing,but still, I don't think it is my any means a guaranteed sucess. But it's budget makes it a reasonable gamble, not a batcrap crazy one like Pan was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blankments Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Final predict: DOM: 47M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Warners has had some sucesses this year with it's modestly budgeted films, but with the exception of San Andreas is has had steady stream of fail with it's big budget films. I think the execs at Warners ,at this point, would gladly take a "it won't make much money, but you won't lose any money" deal for "Heart Of the Sea". Edited October 14, 2015 by dudalb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 In the Heart of the Sea will lose money. Bomb incoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Pan's first weekend couldn't even beat Hotel Transylvania 2's third weekend. Sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) In the Heart of the Sea will lose money. Bomb incoming. It has a chance,it it's good, of breaking even,but I don't see much in the way of profit unless it becomes a major award contender. Opening so close to Force Awakens will not help it much. I think Creed is probably Warners best chance for a face saving hit, since it has a modest budget,but I don't think it's a sure thing. Edited October 14, 2015 by dudalb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 thank god for creed, right guys? Creed might make up for the big loss on Entourage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 As a writer, I'm telling you NO one cares about the script. Audiences are stupid. Movies rise or fall on hundreds of things, script is the last of them However, most Hollywood scripts are pure shit anyway - so it doesn't matter. Why can I not like my own posts??? Also this one: It's a sad sad world we live in - where the masterpieces of art (Crimson Peak) have to be forcefully disguised as the filthiest, cheapest, dumbest schlock (horror flicks) the zombified retarded public craves. Is it because I'm just free account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
