Fancyarcher Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Sure, of course they made a lot of money. But I'm not talking financially at all. They would've made a ton of money had they made good movies too. I agree, but the quality wouldn't have been better or worse if they had them any less faithful to the books, and they took out a lot of stuff as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK007 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I don't care if they're faithful or not. If they wanted to make good movies, then they should've been quite a bit less faithful, at least in terms of fitting stuff in. I don't care if there are critics like you though since the Potter fanbase, as is being discussed in this very thread, turned up all the time and made all that money for WB and the majority of the fans like the majority of the movies. And if millions upon millions of people still think the movies are good despite being fan-adhering, then it's completely fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Problem with DH1 is a lack of a climax. Problem with DH2 is the final duel is a bit of a let down. Golblet of fire also appealed as it added dating and was the "gang is in their teens now" feel Edited July 16, 2014 by Lordmandeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 A different screenwriter I think would have helped. Steve Kloves hadn't even heard of the books when he was hired , and it's not like his filmography was so impressive genesis the absolute best and only choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I enjoyed Phoenix. After that film, I found myself caring less and less about the whole thing. Maybe that's because Deathly Hallows (the book) had already come out. I've only seen Prince and both DH films once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 No lie HBP I feel asleep and I was watching it a home. 2nd time through I liked it more but the least entertaining of the films to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Wang Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I don't care if there are critics like you though since the Potter fanbase, as is being discussed in this very thread, turned up all the time and made all that money for WB and the majority of the fans like the majority of the movies.And if millions upon millions of people still think the movies are good despite being fan-adhering, then it's completely fine.The problem is that these are movies. They need to be movies first and foremost. That means distilling the source material down to it's very essence and making a movie based off that. It should be made in such a way that you don't have to read the book to enjoy the movie. They need to have their own identity. The later movies got so crazy that you really had to read the books to fully understand everything that was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TServo2049 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Were people that enraged? I loved that DMC cliffhanger. POTC was just on fire back then.Eh, not really. I guess it just caught people off guard. It caught ME off guard.The Catching Fire cliffhanger is in the book.Yes, but I remember hearing stories of people criticizing it. And Desolation of Smaug (which was unexpected, I remember people kind of upset there wasn't any kind of ending).Back to the Future Part II was COMPLETELY unexpected in 1989. For someone who spoils too much in his trailers, I agree with Zemeckis on one thing: It should have been advertised as "part 2 of the Back to the Future TRILOGY." But Universal advertised it as if it were a freestanding film - and why would anyone think otherwise? Even Empire Strikes Back had an ENDING, albeit open-ended. So when that "To Be Concluded..." popped up, people were caught off-guard.I'm not sure if that negatively affected the gross for III, or if it was negative reactions to II in general, or people not interested in a Western, or just that summer 1990 was shit in almost the same way this summer was shit. (Though BTTF3 didn't cost an arm and a leg, so it still made a handy profit.)But I digress, this has nothing to do with Potter, I now return you to your regularly scheduled HP discussion. Edited July 16, 2014 by TServo2049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK007 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The problem is that these are movies. They need to be movies first and foremost. That means distilling the source material down to it's very essence and making a movie based off that. It should be made in such a way that you don't have to read the book to enjoy the movie.They need to have their own identity. The later movies got so crazy that you really had to read the books to fully understand everything that was happening. I understand this point of view if you haven't read the book, but the movies already leave out a lot, when I re-read some of the books I was surprised at how much they had just not included, so to me, I think that some of them, at least, though I enjoy them all, are great movies and adaptations. I know it's "lazy" but with such a huge fanbase, you don't have to care if people miss points. I still think they are great movies and for this franchise more than most, heck, maybe more than all, I literally don't care if people want to call them bad movies or if people have problems with them because to me, it was my childhood, going through all of them and those amazing experiences means I'm glad they were made the way they did. The one I didn't like the most was Phoenix, at the time, which left out so much and was the shortest movie. DH2 also annoyed me but that's because as a finale, it didn't really do Potter justice and that's down to Yates direction and Kloves writing. Iconic moments should have been worked in much better than they did, but I don't think Yates can really direct action anyway, perhaps why HBP and DH1 are so much better than Phoenix and DH2. Eh, not really. I guess it just caught people off guard. It caught ME off guard.Yes, but I remember hearing stories of people criticizing it. And Desolation of Smaug (which was unexpected, I remember people kind of upset there wasn't any kind of ending).Back to the Future Part II was COMPLETELY unexpected in 1989. For someone who spoils too much in his trailers, I agree with Zemeckis on one thing: It should have been advertised as "part 2 of the Back to the Future TRILOGY." Universal advertised it as if it were a freestanding film - and why would anyone think otherwise? Even Empire Strikes Back had an ENDING, albeit open-ended. So when that "To Be Concluded..." popped up, people were caught off-guard. I'm not sure if that negatively affected the gross for III, or if it was negative reactions to II in general, or people not interested in a Western, or just that summer 1990 was shit in almost the same way this summer was shit. (Though the difference is that BTTF3 didn't cost an arm and a leg, so it still made a handy profit.) I guess it depends on how the movie leaves you, the mood you're in before the cut. If a movie has lost your interest, then you're more likely to use it against it, otherwise, I think you'd be hyped up for the next. I almost expect Hollywood blockbusters to end on a sequel? note anyway. I guess a cliffhanger is in the extreme and not many people may be fond of that as, as you said, it doesn't finish a movie so it's not really complete in that sense. DMC is still one of the most fun experiences I've had in the cinema. AWE was a major, boring, inane disappointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The thing about Potter that bugs me is that it takes waaaaaaay too fucking long to get to Harry and Voldemorts battle. 7 book.....and I thought ROTK was bloated. You should be thankful you haven't read other famous fantasy series then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim22 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 You should be thankful you haven't read other famous fantasy series then. Wheel of Time may not ever have got to the final showdown if not for Robert Jordan's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichWS Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Girlfriend and I skipped Stone (we've both seen it too many times already) and went straight to Chamber of Secrets. We're 64 minutes in and GOD WHY IS THERE ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF LEFT? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Girlfriend and I skipped Stone (we've both seen it too many times already) and went straight to Chamber of Secrets. We're 64 minutes in and GOD WHY IS THERE ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF LEFT?Every time a new a Harry Potter movie came out, I marathoned all the ones before it.By all, I mean...Prisoner of Azkaban onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 And if millions upon millions of people still think the movies are good despite being fan-adhering, then it's completely fine.By that logic, TF2 is better than any Potter film around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 By that logic, TF2 is better than any Potter film around.I think 3 onwards are varying levels of good.Therefore...they are good.You're a mod, make that official boxoffice.com doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood26 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Girlfriend and I skipped Stone (we've both seen it too many times already) and went straight to Chamber of Secrets. We're 64 minutes in and GOD WHY IS THERE ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF LEFT? We aren't friends anymore, you have to start with number #1 always, no matter what. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowhite Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) We aren't friends anymore, you have to start with number #1 always, no matter what.By #1, you mean PoA, right?I agree.We're going to argue about this at TDK, aren't we? Edited July 16, 2014 by kowhite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffe Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I personally think it has worst filmmaking in the series that would be OOTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffe Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Eh, I thought DH2 was pretty disappointing. we agree for once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 By that logic, TF2 is better than any Potter film around.Well duh....it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
