BUMBLEBEE | 21 DECEMBER 2018 | The end of the Bayformers Universe

[Crainy]

Alright, finally went to see this one.

 

Before I talk about my thoughts on the movie, let me preface with the history that I have with the Transformers movies. The first Transformers movie by Michael Bay is my favorite movie of all time and it changed my life forever by inspiring me to become a filmmaker myself, a goal I have been working on ever since and I have worked on many personal and professional projects since then. Seeing that movie in the cinema for the first time was an experience I will never forget, it was the first movie that really showed me the value that movies as art can have. I think its an expressive and artful masterpiece - in general I think theres a truly nuanced artistry to Michael Bays work that far to few people are capable of appreciating. The second one I think is a very flawed but overall good movie with some standout qualities. The third one is great. The fourth one is alright and the fifth one unfortunately is one of the worst movies Ive ever seen and nobody is more unhappy about that then me. Nonetheless, that we can have a blockbuster titled "Bumblebee" in 2019 that is capable of holding its own at the box office is a testament to the formidable movie franchise Michael Bay and his team created here and how these movies (especially the first three) really managed to connect with audiences.

 

With that out of the way, onto "Bumblebee". From back when the first trailer dropped for this movie, I was curious to see how a different director would approach a Transformers movies that follows in the footsteps of Bays work. Overall, I think its pretty decent with some really good stuff in it, but unfortunately it also has quite alot of flaws.

 

The movie opens up very strong with some pretty good action sequences. As seen in the trailers, parts of this movie takes place on Cybertron. These scenes are also the best thing about "Bumblebee". The thing with this movie is, it almost feels like two different halves that dont quite fit well together. You have the stuff on Cybertron thats leaning more towards G1 and its genuinly different from the things we saw in Bays movies while still paying homage to his work here and there. That stuff is really good, I really like the G1 designs in this film. The G1 inspired stuff in this movie feels like its own vision that is capable of standing on its own.

 

And then you have the stuff on earth, which honestly feels like a worse version of things we have already seen in the first Michael Bay Transformers movie. Its funny how Bumblebee´s design in this film is a perfect example of this. He looks alot like in the Bay movies, just worse and less inspired. And thats how alot of the things that happen on Earth in this film feel like, it feels like if a less creative and inspired team worked on the first Transformers film. We have already seen the story of the teenager that gets his/hers first car that happens to be Bumblebee in the first Transformers movie, but there it was done significantly better, because in the first Transformers movie that plot was woven in neatly with the greater overall narrative of the movie and just in general executed better with better directing, cinematography and actors. We have already seen Bumblebee getting captured by the military. We have already seen the teenager trying to keep the secret from everyone. This was all covered in the first 40 minutes of the first Transformers movie.

 

The main problem with this plot is just how generic it feels. In the first Transformers movie, this wasnt the case because of what they decided to focus on, but in this movie the human element and the overarching plot is as generic as it gets. It literally feels like your generic "teenager/kid meets extraordinary creature and they bond" story that has been done a million times and this movie just has nothing to add to the formula. It also doesnt help that the cinematography and directing in this movie is also as generic as it gets, even if they are some good shots here and there. The incredible score from Steven Jablonsky from the Michael Bay movies gets replaced here with really incredibly forgettable tunes - for the most part. There are some really nice more electronic score elements in this movie that go very well with some of their G1 stuff. There are also some callbacks to the themes from the Michael Bay movies and everytime those get used it works really well, so good job on that. The CGI and sound design in this movie is also significantly worse than what we have seen in the Bay movies.

 

The two villan decepticons in this movie are also another good example of what I mean: Their designs look like rejected designs from the Bay movies. They look like designs from the Bay movies, just less inspired and worse. Which is a shame, because the fighter jet in the beginning actually has a really good design and again, the G1 stuff is excellent.

 

And this is a shame, because when the movie does its own thing and pulls further away from what came before in the Bay films and goes more into G1 territory, thats when the movie comes into its own. I think we would have been better off if this movie would have been a full reboot that goes all-out on the G1 stuff.

 

Ive also read on the internet that apparently this movie was made with more "heart" than the Michael Bay films. To those people I say, you are full of shit and you should feel bad for judging the hard work of an artist and his team based on shallow superstitions you read on the internet. Michael Bay is an incredibly passionate filmmaker that puts his heart and soul into his craft and everyone who has ever worked with the guy will tell you as much. Quick example, the guy took a 40% cut to his paycheck on the first Transformers movie just so he could work with his long-time team. The Transformers movies by him are not some assembly line productions and I advise you to look up some of the making-of material regarding them. Each one of these movies were enourmous undertakings, both artistically and from a technical standpoint. New technologies were created for each one and existing technologies pushed to their limits and the artists that worked on these movies, for example CGI and the sound designers, pushed their abilities with each entry. Which is why the first three movies were nominated for 7 oscars in total. While Marvel had actors playing pretend infront of a greenscreen, Michael Bay and his team split a bus at 80 miles per hour, flipped actual cars into actual buildings and build an entire town in the desert just so they have something that they can blow up with actual explosives. And they build that town twice!

 

A movie doesnt have "heart" because it caters to G1 fans or something. Michael Bay cares about the Transformers franchise and he listened to fans where it actually mattered (for example, casting Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime), but he wasnt interested in making a G1 adapation, he was interested in making Transformers movies that stand on their own with their own artistic integrity.

 

Another thing: There seems to be this notion going around in some of the "critics" reviews that this movie is more "nuanced" then the Michael Bay films. That is just completely wrong. As a filmmaker myself, I like to think that I have a more nuanced opinion on movies as art than the common movie-goer and I can tell you there is nothing subtle or nuanced about this movie. Everything is laid out infront of you to make sure everyone can understand it without thinking. And if critics think that an incredibly generic human plotline that we have seen in the same manner a hundred times over counts as nuanced or subtle, then I would say the artful cinematography in the Michael Bay films that connects the audience emotionally much more with whats going on adds more subtlety and nuance to a film than a generic drama plotline.

 

I felt like it was worth adressing these points with all the senseless vitrol on the internet that gets directed at Michael Bay and his work and to dispel some of these myths.

 

In any case, its a decent movie, definitely better than the fifth entry in the franchise, but it would have been better off if it would have been a full reboot that focuses on the new vision of a more G1 inspired Transformers. The rest of the movie just made me appreciate the first Michael Bay Transformers movie even more and how it wasnt a painfully generic "teenager meets extraordinary creature tale" that we were presented with here.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Crainy

[MCKillswitch123]

7 minutes ago, Crainy said:

Alright, finally went to see this one.

 

Before I talk about my thoughts on the movie, let me preface with the history that I have with the Transformers movies. The first Transformers movie by Michael Bay is my favorite movie of all time and it changed my life forever by inspiring me to become a filmmaker myself, a goal I have been working on ever since. Seeing that movie in the cinema for the first time was an experience I will never forget, it was the first movie that really showed me the value that movies as art can have. I think its an expressive and artful masterpiece - in general I think theres a truly nuanced artistry to Michael Bays work that far to few people are capable of appreciating. The second one I think is a very flawed but overall good movie with some standout qualities. The third one is great. The fourth one is alright and the fifth one unfortunately is one of the worst movies Ive ever seen and nobody is more unhappy about that then me. Nonetheless, that we can have a blockbuster titled "Bumblebee" in 2019 that is capable of holding its own at the box office is a testament to the formidable movie franchise Michael Bay and his team created here and how these movies (especially the first three) really managed to connect with audiences.

 

With that out of the way, onto "Bumblebee". From back when the first trailer dropped for this movie, I was curious to see how a different director would approach a Transformers movies that follows in the footsteps of Bays work. Overall, I think its pretty decent with some really good stuff in it, but unfortunately it also has quite alot of flaws.

 

The movie opens up very strong with some pretty good action sequences. As seen in the trailers, parts of this movie takes place on Cybertron. These scenes are also the best thing about "Bumblebee". The thing with this movie is, it almost feels like two different halves that dont quite fit well together. You have the stuff on Cybertron thats leaning more towards G1 and its genuinly different from the things we saw in Bays movies while still paying homage to his work here and there. That stuff is really good, I really like the G1 designs in this film. The G1 inspired stuff in this movie feels like its own vision that is capable of standing on its own.

 

And then you have the stuff on earth, which honestly feels like a worse version of things we have already seen in the first Michael Bay Transformers movie. Its funny how Bumblebee´s design in this film is a perfect example of this. He looks alot like in the Bay movies, just worse and less inspired. And thats how alot of the things that happen on Earth in this film feel like, it feels like if a less creative and inspired team worked on the first Transformers film. We have already seen the story of the teenager that gets his/hers first car that happens to be Bumblebee in the first Transformers movie, but there it was done significantly better, because in the first Transformers movie that plot was woven in neatly with the greater overall narrative of the movie and just in general executed better with better directing, cinematography and actors. We have already seen Bumblebee getting captured by the military. We have already seen the teenager trying to keep the secret from everyone. This was all covered in the first 40 minutes of the first Transformers movie.

 

The main problem with this plot is just how generic it feels. In the first Transformers movie, this wasnt the case because of what they decided to focus on, but in this movie the human element and the overarching plot is as generic as it gets. It literally feels like your generic "teenager/kid meets extraordinary creature and they bond" story that has been done a million times and this movie just has nothing to add to the formula. It also doesnt help that the cinematography and directing in this movie is also as generic as it gets, even if they are some good shots here and there. The incredible score from Steven Jablonsky from the Michael Bay movies gets replaced here with really incredibly forgettable tunes - for the most part. There are some really nice more electronic score elements in this movie that go very well with some of their G1 stuff. There are also some callbacks to the themes from the Michael Bay movies and everytime those get used it works really well, so good job on that. The CGI and sound design in this movie is also significantly worse than what we have seen in the Bay movies.

 

The two villan decepticons in this movie are also another good example of what I mean: Their designs look like rejected designs from the Bay movies. They look like designs from the Bay movies, just less inspired and worse. Which is a shame, because the fighter jet in the beginning actually has a really good design and again, the G1 stuff is excellent.

 

And this is a shame, because when the movie does its own thing and pulls further away from what came before in the Bay films and goes more into G1 territory, thats when the movie comes into its own. I think we would have been better off if this movie would have been a full reboot that goes all-out on the G1 stuff.

 

Ive also read on the internet that apparently this movie was made with more "heart" than the Michael Bay films. To those people I say, you are full of shit and you should feel bad for judging the hard work of an artist and his team based on shallow superstitions you read on the internet. Michael Bay is an incredibly passionate filmmaker that puts his heart and soul into his craft and everyone who has ever worked with the guy will tell you as much. The Transformers movies by him are not some assembly line productions and I advise you to look up some of the making-of material regarding them. Each one of these movies were enourmous undertakings, both artistically and from a technical standpoint. New technologies were created for each one and existing technologies pushed to their limits and the artists that worked on these movies, for example CGI and the sound designers, pushed their abilities with each entry. While Marvel had actors playing pretend infront of a greenscreen, Michael Bay and his team split a bus at 80 miles per hour, flipped actual cars into actual buildings and build an entire town in the desert just so they have something that they can blow up with actual explosives. And they build that town twice!

 

A movie doesnt have "heart" because it caters to G1 fans or something. Michael Bay cares about the Transformers franchise and he listened to fans where it actually mattered (for example, casting Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime), but he wasnt interested in making a G1 adapation, he was interested in making Transformers movies that stand on their own with their own artistic integrity.

 

Another thing: There seems to be this notion going around in some of the "critics" reviews that this movie is more "nuanced" then the Michael Bay films. That is just completely wrong. As a filmmaker myself, I like to think that I have a more nuanced opinion on movies as art than the common movie-goer and I can tell you there is nothing subtle or nuanced about this movie. Everything is laid out infront of you to make sure everyone can understand it without thinking. And if critics think that an incredibly generic human plotline that we have seen in the same manner a hundred times over counts as nuanced or subtle, then I would say the artful cinematography in the Michael Bay films that connects the audience emotionally much more with whats going on adds more subtlety and nuance to a film that a generic drama plotline.

 

I felt like it was worth adressing these points with all the senseless vitrol on the internet that gets direct at Michael Bay and his work and to dispel some of these myths.

 

In any case, its a decent movie, definitely better than the fifth entry in the franchise, but it would have been better off if it would have been a full reboot that focuses on the new vision of a more G1 inspired Transformers. The rest of the movie just made me appreciate the first Michael Bay Transformers movie even more and how it wasnt a painfully generic "teenager meets extraordinary creature tale" that we were presented with here.

Hello, Mr. Bay. Any chance you'll hire that blonde hottie from Transformers 4 for your new Netflix movie?

Edited January 9, 2019 by MCKillswitch123

[JB33]

1 hour ago, Crainy said:

Alright, finally went to see this one.

 

Before I talk about my thoughts on the movie, let me preface with the history that I have with the Transformers movies. The first Transformers movie by Michael Bay is my favorite movie of all time and it changed my life forever by inspiring me to become a filmmaker myself, a goal I have been working on ever since and I have worked on many personal and professional projects since then. Seeing that movie in the cinema for the first time was an experience I will never forget, it was the first movie that really showed me the value that movies as art can have. I think its an expressive and artful masterpiece - in general I think theres a truly nuanced artistry to Michael Bays work that far to few people are capable of appreciating. The second one I think is a very flawed but overall good movie with some standout qualities. The third one is great. The fourth one is alright and the fifth one unfortunately is one of the worst movies Ive ever seen and nobody is more unhappy about that then me. Nonetheless, that we can have a blockbuster titled "Bumblebee" in 2019 that is capable of holding its own at the box office is a testament to the formidable movie franchise Michael Bay and his team created here and how these movies (especially the first three) really managed to connect with audiences.

 

With that out of the way, onto "Bumblebee". From back when the first trailer dropped for this movie, I was curious to see how a different director would approach a Transformers movies that follows in the footsteps of Bays work. Overall, I think its pretty decent with some really good stuff in it, but unfortunately it also has quite alot of flaws.

 

The movie opens up very strong with some pretty good action sequences. As seen in the trailers, parts of this movie takes place on Cybertron. These scenes are also the best thing about "Bumblebee". The thing with this movie is, it almost feels like two different halves that dont quite fit well together. You have the stuff on Cybertron thats leaning more towards G1 and its genuinly different from the things we saw in Bays movies while still paying homage to his work here and there. That stuff is really good, I really like the G1 designs in this film. The G1 inspired stuff in this movie feels like its own vision that is capable of standing on its own.

 

And then you have the stuff on earth, which honestly feels like a worse version of things we have already seen in the first Michael Bay Transformers movie. Its funny how Bumblebee´s design in this film is a perfect example of this. He looks alot like in the Bay movies, just worse and less inspired. And thats how alot of the things that happen on Earth in this film feel like, it feels like if a less creative and inspired team worked on the first Transformers film. We have already seen the story of the teenager that gets his/hers first car that happens to be Bumblebee in the first Transformers movie, but there it was done significantly better, because in the first Transformers movie that plot was woven in neatly with the greater overall narrative of the movie and just in general executed better with better directing, cinematography and actors. We have already seen Bumblebee getting captured by the military. We have already seen the teenager trying to keep the secret from everyone. This was all covered in the first 40 minutes of the first Transformers movie.

 

The main problem with this plot is just how generic it feels. In the first Transformers movie, this wasnt the case because of what they decided to focus on, but in this movie the human element and the overarching plot is as generic as it gets. It literally feels like your generic "teenager/kid meets extraordinary creature and they bond" story that has been done a million times and this movie just has nothing to add to the formula. It also doesnt help that the cinematography and directing in this movie is also as generic as it gets, even if they are some good shots here and there. The incredible score from Steven Jablonsky from the Michael Bay movies gets replaced here with really incredibly forgettable tunes - for the most part. There are some really nice more electronic score elements in this movie that go very well with some of their G1 stuff. There are also some callbacks to the themes from the Michael Bay movies and everytime those get used it works really well, so good job on that. The CGI and sound design in this movie is also significantly worse than what we have seen in the Bay movies.

 

The two villan decepticons in this movie are also another good example of what I mean: Their designs look like rejected designs from the Bay movies. They look like designs from the Bay movies, just less inspired and worse. Which is a shame, because the fighter jet in the beginning actually has a really good design and again, the G1 stuff is excellent.

 

And this is a shame, because when the movie does its own thing and pulls further away from what came before in the Bay films and goes more into G1 territory, thats when the movie comes into its own. I think we would have been better off if this movie would have been a full reboot that goes all-out on the G1 stuff.

 

Ive also read on the internet that apparently this movie was made with more "heart" than the Michael Bay films. To those people I say, you are full of shit and you should feel bad for judging the hard work of an artist and his team based on shallow superstitions you read on the internet. Michael Bay is an incredibly passionate filmmaker that puts his heart and soul into his craft and everyone who has ever worked with the guy will tell you as much. Quick example, the guy took a 40% cut to his paycheck on the first Transformers movie just so he could work with his long-time team. The Transformers movies by him are not some assembly line productions and I advise you to look up some of the making-of material regarding them. Each one of these movies were enourmous undertakings, both artistically and from a technical standpoint. New technologies were created for each one and existing technologies pushed to their limits and the artists that worked on these movies, for example CGI and the sound designers, pushed their abilities with each entry. Which is why the first three movies were nominated for 7 oscars in total. While Marvel had actors playing pretend infront of a greenscreen, Michael Bay and his team split a bus at 80 miles per hour, flipped actual cars into actual buildings and build an entire town in the desert just so they have something that they can blow up with actual explosives. And they build that town twice!

 

A movie doesnt have "heart" because it caters to G1 fans or something. Michael Bay cares about the Transformers franchise and he listened to fans where it actually mattered (for example, casting Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime), but he wasnt interested in making a G1 adapation, he was interested in making Transformers movies that stand on their own with their own artistic integrity.

 

Another thing: There seems to be this notion going around in some of the "critics" reviews that this movie is more "nuanced" then the Michael Bay films. That is just completely wrong. As a filmmaker myself, I like to think that I have a more nuanced opinion on movies as art than the common movie-goer and I can tell you there is nothing subtle or nuanced about this movie. Everything is laid out infront of you to make sure everyone can understand it without thinking. And if critics think that an incredibly generic human plotline that we have seen in the same manner a hundred times over counts as nuanced or subtle, then I would say the artful cinematography in the Michael Bay films that connects the audience emotionally much more with whats going on adds more subtlety and nuance to a film that a generic drama plotline.

 

I felt like it was worth adressing these points with all the senseless vitrol on the internet that gets direct at Michael Bay and his work and to dispel some of these myths.

 

In any case, its a decent movie, definitely better than the fifth entry in the franchise, but it would have been better off if it would have been a full reboot that focuses on the new vision of a more G1 inspired Transformers. The rest of the movie just made me appreciate the first Michael Bay Transformers movie even more and how it wasnt a painfully generic "teenager meets extraordinary creature tale" that we were presented with here.

You didn't dispel anything. You stated YOUR opinion.

 

Good review, though. 

[MattW]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/viacom-ceo-says-hes-mulling-small-acquisition-targets-1175029

[Viacom CEO Bob] Bakish congratulated Paramount for a successful turnaround, using the latest in the Transformersfranchise as an example: Bumblebee, he said, is "solidly profitable" while its predecessor in the summer of 2017 lost more than $100 million.

 

Was Michael Bay's share of TF5 $100m? 

[Yandereprime101189]

Y-yeah, as much as I love the movie, there were two bad CG scenes - one featuring Bumblebee (Cena seeing Bee come out of the smoke at the beginning of the film) and one featuring Optimus - 

Spoiler

Him on Earth speaking with Bee

 that appeared not to have been rendered well.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Yandereprime101189

[Barnack]

3 hours ago, MattW said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/viacom-ceo-says-hes-mulling-small-acquisition-targets-1175029

[Viacom CEO Bob] Bakish congratulated Paramount for a successful turnaround, using the latest in the Transformersfranchise as an example: Bumblebee, he said, is "solidly profitable" while its predecessor in the summer of 2017 lost more than $100 million.

 

Was Michael Bay's share of TF5 $100m? 

 

When talking about what to offer for Uncharted to Walbergh, Sony did talk a little bit about the situation with the Transformer and is contract there:

 

Because of all the players (Hasbro, Lorenzo, Bay, Spielberg, etc) and a 25 point first dollar cap, Wahlberg received 4%GP starting at $225M ww AGR, then escalated to 5% @ $425M ww AGR, 6% @ $725M ww AGR, and 7.5% @ $825M ww AGR.

 

Not sure about Bay himself, but with Lorenzo, Hasbro, Spielberg ? if he was still getting some, they way they talk it seem like it could get has high has 25 first dollar gross getting away from them.

 

If Men In Black 3 is a good comparable, on that Sony was giving 90M in first dollar gross bonuse before making a cent (at around 625m WW).

 

To note here, some stuff are quote while some are not in that text.

[Krissykins]

We’ve booked to see this tomorrow night just to play catch up. Wouldn’t have bothered if the reviews were bad. Last Transformers film I watched was the dreadful second film. 

[Crainy]

11 hours ago, JB33 said:

You didn't dispel anything. You stated YOUR opinion.

 

Good review, though. 

That statement was in regards to dispelling myths that lead into question Michael Bays integrity as a filmmaker. Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of facts. What Michael Bay does and does not and wether or not his movies were made with dedication and care put into them (no matter if you like the end result or not) is a matter of facts, not a matter of opinion. I stated the objective facts. Opinions are irrelevant on this matter.

 

Glad you like my "review", though.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Crainy

[AniNate]

Attack the semantics of his detractors if you want, but however passionate Michael Bay may have been about Transformers, what it really comes down to is his loud, sometimes obnoxious filmmaking style losing favor with audiences. I suspect those who questioned his passion weren't particularly interested in the innovative technological aspects of the movies. You may be able get away with just that for awhile, but ultimately any franchise sinks if it doesn't have appealing characters and storylines that keep audiences coming back.

 

Personally, cool special effects are just a bonus. They need to have a story that justifies the money spent on them.

[The Futurist]

10 hours ago, Barnack said:

 

When talking about what to offer for Uncharted to Walbergh, Sony did talk a little bit about the situation with the Transformer and is contract there:

 

Because of all the players (Hasbro, Lorenzo, Bay, Spielberg, etc) and a 25 point first dollar cap, Wahlberg received 4%GP starting at $225M ww AGR, then escalated to 5% @ $425M ww AGR, 6% @ $725M ww AGR, and 7.5% @ $825M ww AGR.

 

Not sure about Bay himself, but with Lorenzo, Hasbro, Spielberg ? if he was still getting some, they way they talk it seem like it could get has high has 25 first dollar gross getting away from them.

 

If Men In Black 3 is a good comparable, on that Sony was giving 90M in first dollar gross bonuse before making a cent (at around 625m WW).

 

To note here, some stuff are quote while some are not in that text.

I thought Spielberg got involved in the Transfomers franchise for the sake of the Art ...

☹️

[2kt09]

1 hour ago, tribefan695 said:

Attack the semantics of his detractors if you want, but however passionate Michael Bay may have been about Transformers, what it really comes down to is his loud, sometimes obnoxious filmmaking style losing favor with audiences. I suspect those who questioned his passion weren't particularly interested in the innovative technological aspects of the movies. You may be able get away with just that for awhile, but ultimately any franchise sinks if it doesn't have appealing characters and storylines that keep audiences coming back.

 

Personally, cool special effects are just a bonus. They need to have a story that justifies the money spent on them.

Bayformers could have gone as far as Jurassic & Star Wars if it didn't get so greedy. 

Keep on remaking the same movie. 

The Last Knight, for all its filmmaking prowess, is the most obnoxious from every possible angle; characters & story particularly for complicating the shit out of an easygoing start & endpoint. They just had to go and assemble such a talented team of writers for this might as well as be a spoof of  a cinematic universe jumping clusterfuck.

Edited January 10, 2019 by 2kt09

[Barnack]

6 hours ago, Crainy said:

That statement was in regards to dispelling myths that lead into question Michael Bays integrity as a filmmaker. Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of facts. What Michael Bay does and does not and wether or not his movies were made with dedication and care put into them (no matter if you like the end result or not) is a matter of facts, not a matter of opinion. I stated the objective facts. Opinions are irrelevant on this matter.

 

Glad you like my "review", though.

Listening to the interview of the writers of the Transformer 2 script didn't scream dedication and care, it got so big that at one point putting the level of dedication and care would have meant pushing the release date and not having a little studio of people not working, not an easy decision to make.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Barnack

[The Futurist]

5 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Listening to the interview of the writers of the Transformer 2 script didn't scream dedication and care, it got so big that at one point putting the level of dedication and care would have meant push release date and not having a little studio of people not working.

All Documented in the TF2 Blu Ray.

it was the writer s strike.

Bay kidnapped Kurtzman and Orci in an hotel room and they wrote the movie in the hotel in two weeks.

You can't push the release date, that s not how it works.

If you produce movies, well ... you have to make them, you don't control the calendar.

The studio gives you a releade date and you have to deliver the movie at said date.

[Barnack]

40 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

You can't push the release date, that s not how it works.

If you produce movies, well ... you have to make them, you don't control the calendar.

The studio gives you a releade date and you have to deliver the movie at said date.

Yep like I said completely untrue all Bay movies are some dedicated and high care story, too beloved to mess with, 2 weeks for the scripts and throwing curve ball at them in the middle of it (Ok you need to include X military new toy in the plot, etc...).

 

The list is long of blockbuster made without a script ready when pre-production start.

 

[The Futurist]

5 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Yep like I said completely untrue all Bay movies are some dedicated and high care story, too beloved to mess with, 2 weeks for the scripts and throwing curve ball at them in the middle of it (Ok you need to include X military new toy in the plot, etc...).

 

The list is long of blockbuster made without a script ready when pre-production start.

 

Gladiator, one of the most beloved film of all time.

First Iron Man.

And the list goes on ...

[Crainy]

15 hours ago, Barnack said:

Listening to the interview of the writers of the Transformer 2 script didn't scream dedication and care, it got so big that at one point putting the level of dedication and care would have meant pushing the release date and not having a little studio of people not working, not an easy decision to make.

 

15 hours ago, Barnack said:

Yep like I said completely untrue all Bay movies are some dedicated and high care story, too beloved to mess with, 2 weeks for the scripts and throwing curve ball at them in the middle of it (Ok you need to include X military new toy in the plot, etc...).

 

The list is long of blockbuster made without a script ready when pre-production start.

 

You are terribly misinformed. What happened with Transformers 2 happened because of the writers strike. Yes, the script was rushed and Bay was the first to admit that. He didnt move the release date because he was confident that he could make a quality product anyways and he also made preparations for the writers strike before it happened so the writers and the entire production team had an easier time. That they didnt move the release date WAS an act of dedication and care, in Michael Bays own way (he´s also a director that really cares about staying on budget).

 

This is a terrible example of yours and means nothing. Even Transformers 2 is a movie made with alot of dedication and care, it was just a victim of its circumstances. They build a town in the desert for it just so they have something to blow up for the final act. They filmed on-location in egypt and to my knowledge it was the first movie in many many years that got the permission to film at and ON the Pyramids. Michael Bay flew halfway across the world just for a single day, just so he could personally direct the CGI crew when they were creating the films only (and franchises first) fully CGI animated sequence (the decepticon scene on the crashed decepticon spaceship). They also created the most complex CGI shot of the time for this movie with Devastator taking down the Pyramids. Michael Bay worked on the final cut of the movie personally up until HOURS before the movies initial premiere.

 

That Transformers 2 didnt need to move its release date is a testament to Michael Bays work ethic. I personally think he should have moved the release date as writing the script in just two weeks definitely resulted in a worse movie, but it was not an easy decision.

 

Transformers 2 is a flawed movie, but its still a labor of love. If you want to judge a man and his work, be sure to inform yourself properly first, because what you are saying here is just wrong.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Crainy

[AniNate]

The writers strike excuse for TF2 got progressively more dubious as the movies got crappier. Bay just had a far different idea of what he thinks is entertaining than his critics and ultimately audiences did.

 

He may have been passionate, but it wasn't about the right things.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2019 by tribefan695

[Crainy]

30 minutes ago, tribefan695 said:

The writers strike excuse for TF2 got progressively more dubious as the movies got crappier. Bay just had a far different idea of what he thinks is entertaining than his critics and ultimately audiences did.

 

He may have been passionate, but it wasn't about the right things.

There are many people like me that love and appreciate the Transformers movies. As I always like to say, Michael Bays work has a great deal of artistry to it that I think far to few people can appreciate. Michael Bay is a director that has a very specific style unique to him that he uses to tell his stories and his style definitely doesnt appeal to everyone. But thats the thing, art often times is divisive and not for everyone and thats ok.

 

You dont have to like his movies, but you are wrong in thinking that there arent also alot of people who see alot of value in Michael Bays work.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Crainy

[DeeCee]

It was good. 

[Darth Homer]

I agree with this article: https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/01/04/bumblebee-really-doesnt-deserve-to-go-out-like-this

We finally got a TF movie made by someone who actually likes the characters, and it's a shame it isn't doing better. It'll make a profit, at least, but it's clear it struggled to stand out amongst all the holiday releases. Hopefully it sells well enough on Bluray that we get more fun family movies like this and not the return of psycho Optimus Prime and friends.

 

Edited January 11, 2019 by Darth Homer