4-day Weekend Thread: 5-day numbers per BOM - TLJ 99.0M, J:WTTJ 55.4M, PP3 26.4M, TGS 14.4M, F 10.1M, C 8.2M, D 7.7M and an incredible $5,480,000 for Father Figures

[Brainbug]

1 minute ago, McNerdy said:

Jeah, but TESB was a controversial movie when it came out back in the day, and AOTC had mixed/bad WOM and came after TPM with also had mixed/bad WOM.

 

The Last Jedi is a controversial movie with mixed WOM. See the pattern for second entrys in SW trilogys?

 

And that TPM had mixed WOM is a myth. Thing had incredible holds back in the day. That wasnt just fans in denial and people generally beeing happy to see SW return. It had fantastic holds deep, deep into its run.

Dont get me wrong, i think TPM is extremely shitty. But the data doesnt indicate mixed/bad WOM when it came out.

[cannastop]

24 minutes ago, Brainbug said:

 

Its very funny to me that - in many cases - the same people that called J.J. "Jar Jar Abrams" for making TFA a "remake of ANH" now call for his return. The hypocrisy is real.

 

Btw, i mean the Internet in general, this forum is still a very civil place compared to the warzones of YT, Twitter and Co.

These same people also suggest bringing back Lucas and say that the prequels had "heart".

[EmpireCity]

1 minute ago, Tower said:

So does that mean Coco is bad film because it broke out in China?

Their taste is slowly getting better in spots.  Good for them.  

[Brainbug]

Just now, cannastop said:

These same people also suggest bringing back Lucas and say that the prequels had "heart".

There was only one heart in the prequels...and it didnt live very long...

 

 

 

[grim22]

Just now, EmpireCity said:

Their taste is slowly getting better in spots.  Good for them.  

Exactly, so they recognize sub par filmmaking and reject The Last Jedi. Good for them.

[John Marston]

% Change	Theater Count / Change		Average	Total Gross	Budget*	Week #
1	1	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$99,025,055	-55.0%	4,232	-	$23,399	$395,627,411	-	2
2	N	Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle	Sony	$55,400,000	-	3,765	-	$14,714	$72,005,967	$90	1
3	N	Pitch Perfect 3	Uni.	$26,424,890	-	3,447	-	$7,666	$26,424,890	$45	1
4	N	The Greatest Showman	Fox	$14,410,116	-	3,006	-	$4,794	$19,008,847	$84	1
5	2	Ferdinand	Fox	$10,118,526	-24.5%	3,630	+9	$2,787	$29,601,410	$111	2
6	3	Coco	BV	$8,188,615	-17.7%	2,111	-1,044	$3,879	$164,307,743	-	5
7	N	Downsizing	Par.	$7,670,130	-	2,668	-	$2,875	$7,670,130	$68	1
8	16	Darkest Hour	Focus	$5,514,455	+550.7%	806	+722	$6,842	$8,367,532	-	5
9	N	Father Figures	WB	$5,480,000	-	2,902	-	$1,888	$5,480,000	-	1
10	12	The Shape of Water	FoxS	$4,420,381	+158.4%	730	+572	$6,055	$8,986,046	-	4
11	4	Wonder	LGF	$2,697,076	-48.4%	794	-2,253	$3,397	$115,654,826	-	6
12	-	All the Money in the World	TriS	$2,600,000	-	2,068	-	$1,257	$2,600,000	-	0
13	11	The Star	Sony	$1,550,000	-10.4%	1,106	-830	$1,401	$38,641,925	$20	6
14	5	Justice League	WB	$1,510,000	-65.0%	1,101	-1,601	$1,371	$223,133,455	-	6
15	6	Daddy's Home 2	Par.	$1,476,026	-61.3%	1,073	-1,420	$1,376	$99,751,582	$69	7
16	10	Lady Bird	A24	$1,414,496	-32.6%	372	-575	$3,802	$28,715,314	-	8
17	8	The Disaster Artist	A24	$1,209,632	-55.5%	488	-522	$2,479	$16,020,034	-	4
18	7	Thor: Ragnarok	BV	$1,163,335	-62.9%	701	-1,194	$1,660	$309,454,093	$180	8
19	-	Molly's Game	STX	$1,042,075	-	271	-	$3,845	$1,042,075	-	0
20	17	Call Me by Your Name	SPC	$974,663	+100.4%	114	+84	$8,550	$3,262,454	-	5
21	N	The Post	Fox	$762,057	-	9	-	$84,673	$762,057	$50	1
22	13	Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri	FoxS	$733,466	-53.8%	264	-680	$2,778	$22,949,085	-	7
23	9	Murder on the Orient Express (2017)	Fox	$722,895	-71.4%	361	-1,562	$2,002	$99,444,878	$55	7
24	21	I, Tonya	Neon	$624,017	+264.3%	37	+32	$16,865	$1,277,167	-	3
25	19	Youth (2017)	CL	$440,180	+30.0%	34	+4	$12,946	$1,157,273	-	2
26	N	Along with the Gods: The Two Worlds	WGUSA	$285,190	-	17	-	$16,776	$285,190	-	1
27	14	A Bad Moms Christmas	STX	$212,954	-78.9%	275	-763	$774	$71,571,546	$28	8
28	-	Phantom Thread	Focus	$127,272	-	4	-	$31,818	$127,272	-	0
29	18	Wonder Wheel	Amazon	$121,388	-73.6%	113	-423	$1,074	$1,205,919	-	4
30	25	Loving Vincent	Good Deed	$65,472	-17.7%	55	-27	$1,190	$6,110,430	-	14
31	28	The Florida Project	A24	$38,803	-30.2%	43	-23	$902	$5,204,890	-	12
32	N	Hostiles	ENTMP	$32,455	-	3	-	$10,818	$32,455	-	1
33	N	Happy End	SPC	$30,222	-	3	-	$10,074	$30,222	-	1
34	34	Jane (2017)	Abr.	$27,215	-0.8%	19	-8	$1,432	$1,432,338	-	10
35	33	The Square	Magn.	$25,955	-22.5%	17	-24	$1,527	$1,176,775	-	9
36	27	The Thousand Faces Of Dunjia	WGUSA	$18,038	-68.8%	4	-23	$4,510	$109,690	-	2
37	42	Marshall	ORF	$12,960	-23.4%	58	-13	$223	$9,450,507	$12	11
38	48	Big Sonia	Argo.	$10,189	-3.8%	3	-1	$3,396	$94,741	-	6
39	38	Victoria and Abdul	Focus	$9,445	-55.9%	24	-32	$394	$22,205,730	-	14
40	37	The Other Side of Hope	Jan.	$7,358	-65.9%	4	-7	$1,840	$118,777	-	4
41	36	The Swindlers	WGUSA	$5,231	-76.2%	1	-8	$5,231	$240,979	-	4
42	51	Let there be Light	ADC	$4,328	-53.4%	8	-24	$541	$7,203,504	-	9
43	45	The Breadwinner	GK	$3,630	-71.4%	10	-18	$363	$204,469	-	6
44	46	The Killing of a Sacred Deer	A24	$3,356	-71.7%	8	-15	$420	$2,289,085	-	10
45	55	Thelma	Orch.	$3,295	-48.8%	9	-12	$366	$129,236	-	7
46	52	Novitiate	SPC	$2,637	-70.4%	8	-8	$330	$563,231	-	9
47	29	My Friend Dahmer	FR	$1,832	-95.7%	3	-37	$611	$1,290,484	-	8
48	69	BPM (Beats Per Minute)	Orch.	$827	-48.0%	1	-	$827	$92,109	-	10
49	56	Birdboy: The Forgotten Children	GK	$808	-86.2%	1	-3	$808	$12,663	-	2
50	57	Permanent	Magn.	$529	-90.8%	3	-5	$176	$9,238	-	2
TOTAL (50 MOVIES):				$256,623,475	-

[EmpireCity]

I was on these very boards almost 1 year ago having arguments with people that The Force Awakens didn't have actual real backlash beyond a vocal minority and was told by many that it wasn't the case and that The Force Awakens was totally mediocre with mixed word of mouth.  Now 1 year later the narrative is The Force Awakens was beloved beyond a vocal minority.  

 

Again, the memories of human beings are fickle and paint the picture they want to see in many cases.  I am as guilty of that as anyone.  

 

Let's give The Last Jedi some time and see where the narrative ends up. 

[EmpireCity]

2 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Exactly, so they recognize sub par filmmaking and reject The Last Jedi. Good for them.

 

Nah, they missed on that one so they could mentally prepare for another Fast and Furious sequel.  

[Rebeccas]

China is actually a great place to see how a movie connects with an audience that completely factors out nostalgia. 

[DeutscheDogges]

22 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

This might rub some people the wrong way, but I would take Star Wars failing to break through in places like China as a compliment of the quality of the film and not an indictment.  

Or the rest of the World could see Star Wars' domestic success and muted World Wide appeal as an indictment on the quality North American audiences expect from their films.

 

I mean, let's not pretend that Star Wars is great from a narrative perspective. The writing is average, the acting is nothing to write home about. What the series has always had going for it is a Universe rich with lore that has captured the imagination. Unfortunately it rarely realizes its potential. There's a reason why these films are rarely, if ever, on critics top 10 or top 20 year end lists when it comes to cinema. They're popcorn flicks in the vein of the Furious or MCU franchise that allow you to turn your brain off more than anything else.

Edited December 26, 2017 by DeutscheDogges

[Brainbug]

2 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Nah, they missed on that one so they could mentally prepare for another Fast and Furious sequel.  

 

I laughed very hard.

[Galupp]

How the mods allowed such an ignorant racist like Empire to continue posting is fucking beyond me.

[EmpireCity]

1 minute ago, DeutscheDogges said:

Or the rest of the World could see Star Wars' domestic success and muted World Wide appeal as an indictment on the quality North American audiences expect from their films.

 

I mean, let's not pretend that Star Wars is great from a narrative perspective. The writing is average, the acting is nothing to write home about. What the series has always had going for it is a Universe rich with lore that has captured the imagination. Unfortunately it rarely realizes its potential.

Yet they make Fast and the Furious and Transformers and Warcraft their blockbusters of choice.  =)

[That One Girl]

Molly’s Game is pretty fantastic 

[redfirebird2008]

@EmpireCity

 

Can you give a Tuesday number or too early?

[EmpireCity]

1 minute ago, Galupp said:

How the mods allowed such an ignorant racist like Empire to continue posting is fucking beyond me.

 

What?  That is absurd.  Who mentioned anything about race?

[WrathOfHan]

4 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

 

Nah, they missed on that one so they could mentally prepare for another Fast and Furious sequel.  

Only having The Rock and Statham in the next one WITH NO TYRESE will sure throw people in a loop!

 

[James]

Lol, everyone who thinks Disney doesn't give a damn about the divisive reception of TLJ is out of his/her mind. You don't get where Disney got by ignoring what's in front of you and thinking short term. Disney didn't buy Lucasfilm to make 3-4 SW movies. They bought them to bring in profits for years to come. And like it or not, that also means OS. You know why? Because SW did all it could do DOM wise. But there's an entire world out there, not only for movies, but for toys and merchandise too. And Disney clearly cares.

 

I haven't seen more advertisement for any movie in my life here. There's an add or a SW toy spot every 10 minutes on any channel.

But the movie still fell quite a bit. In the end, movies are only a small part of the equation. They are more or less a huge advertisement for merchandise. And if they don't do well, merchandise will also drop. There was a really interesting article someone posted a few days ago about the SW toy sales shipments dropping 40% from TFA 2 years ago and 20% from RO. 

 

In the end, Disney is a huge enterprise. They aren't Lionsgate who just looks to make some profit. They want the big money. That is why they only do franchise movies. And if they can't break out in emerging markets like China, then that is a big problem for them.

Edited December 26, 2017 by James

[IronJimbo]

2 minutes ago, Galupp said:

How the mods allowed such an ignorant racist like Empire to continue posting is fucking beyond me.

Relax he hasnt been racist in the slightest

[MovieMan89]

3 minutes ago, EmpireCity said:

I was on these very boards almost 1 year ago having arguments with people that The Force Awakens didn't have actual real backlash beyond a vocal minority and was told by many that it wasn't the case and that The Force Awakens was totally mediocre with mixed word of mouth.  Now 1 year later the narrative is The Force Awakens was beloved beyond a vocal minority.  

 

Again, the memories of human beings are fickle and paint the picture they want to see in many cases.  I am as guilty of that as anyone.  

 

Let's give The Last Jedi some time and see where the narrative ends up. 

You’re beyond kidding yourself if you think TFA managed a 3.8x multi off a 250m OW by not being anything less than as universally liked as it gets for blockbusters. As far as what happened after the box office run, I still never saw some vocal presence of hate for it. Criticism and issues are a different matter entirely. You will get that with any movie.