Spidey Freak Posted yesterday at 08:27 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:27 AM Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted yesterday at 08:57 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:57 AM Joker somehow increased from Friday to Saturday here in the UK lol. Minimally, but it went up. I’m just happy Smile 2 is guaranteed to open at #1 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Quinn Posted yesterday at 09:26 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:26 AM 57 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said: Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s Those movies being considered “overintellectual” sounds utterly terrifying. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale9001 Posted yesterday at 09:36 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:36 AM 34 minutes ago, Krissykins said: Joker somehow increased from Friday to Saturday here in the UK lol. Minimally, but it went up. I’m just happy Smile 2 is guaranteed to open at #1 now i don't think in europe (but you're in an anglophone country so could be different) all the social discussion has the fast impact has in the Us. WOM of course exists but in the first weekend it's normal to see increases etc... i never saw here in italy a movie on saturday makes less than friday... doesn't matter how bad reviewed is or how toxic WOM is...on saturday a movie just makes more than friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted yesterday at 09:45 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:45 AM Under 40M OW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted yesterday at 09:51 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:51 AM 14 minutes ago, vale9001 said: i don't think in europe (but you're in an anglophone country so could be different) all the social discussion has the fast impact has in the Us. WOM of course exists but in the first weekend it's normal to see increases etc... i never saw here in italy a movie on saturday makes less than friday... doesn't matter how bad reviewed is or how toxic WOM is...on saturday a movie just makes more than friday. Nah not here in the UK. Fan rush/ frontloading is also a thing here too. For example, just in August both It Ends With Us and Alien Romulus decreased from Friday to Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted yesterday at 09:54 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:54 AM 3 hours ago, eddyxx said: I haven’t watched WWE regularly since the 2000s. Is the product any better now that McMahon is banished? I hear Triple H did some good stuff in the farm show they had but any time I tuned into Raw, the characters just never popped aside from a few like the guy who passed recently with the mask. (The fiend?)I miss the crazy gimmicks from the late 90s and the bad asses who didn’t give a fuck like Rock and Austin. I stopped watching regularly for about 15 years until this year. I didn't have rose coloured glasses for the thing. The WWE product being produced today is the best I've seen it be. They basically cycle through their roster, give a character a spotlight, and force the audience to actually care about what they do. So many characters being so supported properly makes for weekly shows that are far more consistently solid than what I remember. As a kid I would probably fast forward through most of the show - so it's actually shocking I don't feel much of a need to 15 years later. The problem is highs of the past aren't there. They don't have any villains (just somewhat unlikeable people), they don't have as many big stunts, and there's one anchor story on the Monday show which is so poorly put together you wonder if WWE's reemergence was just a fluke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted yesterday at 09:57 AM Share Posted yesterday at 09:57 AM 2 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Dune Part II didn't push any boundaries for science fiction, and Oppenheimer was a fairly conventional biopic. Joker 2 is expanding what a comic book sequel can be. They are not the same. Batman used to dance in the 60's. Batman had to sing a Billie Holliday song to transform Wonder Woman back from a pig in the 2000's. These Joker people aren't doing anything that hasn't already been done. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted yesterday at 10:14 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:14 AM 45 minutes ago, Eric Quinn said: Those movies being considered “overintellectual” sounds utterly terrifying. I forget how young some of you guys are that you can't remember how bleak the 2000s really were 😭 Josie and the Pussycats walked so that Barbie could rollerblade at the BO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted yesterday at 10:17 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:17 AM 4 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: I wouldn't use that word, but I am losing faith in the general audience more and more every year. Look at the top 10 highest grossing films in a calendar year from 30 years ago compared to today. I think the spirit of going into a cinema and letting a director and creative team take you on a journey for better or worse is just totally lost. People want a very particular formula from their movies, and any substantial deviation must be rejected. Didn't audiences show up for Barbiehiemer last year? Isn't Dune and Twisters both in the top 5 DOM this year? Audiences can't reward movies that Hollywood doesn't produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted yesterday at 10:30 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:30 AM Should Hollywood take more risks? I guess we don't feel it when Hollywood loses 200 million but if your wife took money for your car payment and bet on the cowboys winning the superbowl, you'd feel it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted yesterday at 10:58 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:58 AM The current top 10 adds up to like 40 in terms of sequels/remakes/reboots/spin offs of the same stories. We’ve already seen Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in like 8 different films by now. It usually/always is. Can’t people just accept that those are what keeps the lights on in cinemas for you to see films you might find more interesting and original. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathon Posted yesterday at 11:20 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:20 AM (edited) Edit: nvm Edited yesterday at 05:06 PM by Marathon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted yesterday at 11:30 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:30 AM 4 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Will audiences be upset that Elphaba isn't exactly like the L. Frank Baum version of the character or Margaret Hamilton portrayal when they see Wicked? Why do we have to be married to iterations of characters that are decades old? It's a different case, because people expect Elphaba would be different from the Wicked promotionals. Even people who don't know about Wicked musical could notice from the trailers that she won't be the villain she was in Wizard of Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kon Posted yesterday at 11:34 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:34 AM (edited) 3 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: Gaga stans being Todd Phillips's No.1 defenders was not on my 2024 bingo card In all seriousness though, I don't see how you can call GA dumb just because they're rejecting your favu's vanity project when the best performing films from the last 2 years include Barbie, Oppenheimer, Across the Spider-Verse, Inside Out 2 and Dune 2, all films that would have been considered as "risque" and "overintellectual" for the masses in the 2000s and maybe even in the 2010s I could see what is the "risque" for Across the Spider-Verse (althought Into the Spider-Verse being a success reduces it), but not really for the other movies. Edited yesterday at 11:37 AM by Kon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMisfits Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM 5 hours ago, Mad Max007 said: One of the reasons the first did so well, people were curious. For the sequel, they at least expected him to be Joker. (Having not seen the movie or read any spoilers, but just the general gist of this thread)...It's not an unreasonable expectation...the name is in the title. If the movie director and the studio really decided that you should spend the whole time taking the character from the end of movie 1, and now putting him back in his place as an unknown loser in movie 2...well, it deserves every loss possible. They failed at the concept stage of the movie. They didn't understand the Joker (the 1st movie actually completely showed how anyone could become the Joker, which is a thing in the comics - but the comics never go into "and now go back to just being a loser")...if you fail so hard on the concept of a known character IP, you're gonna get anger and hate from almost all GA b/c you set an expectation naming the movie "Joker" and you didn't keep it... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Quinn Posted yesterday at 12:04 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:04 PM 1 hour ago, Spidey Freak said: I forget how young some of you guys are that you can't remember how bleak the 2000s really were 😭 Josie and the Pussycats walked so that Barbie could rollerblade at the BO Okay but like…none of those movies would be seen as overintellectual or risqué back then? They aren’t hard to follow, they don’t say anything that daring, even by the standards of the 2000s. I dunno. Maybe most of those movies were hits because they are based on nostalgic brands. 🤷 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWR Posted yesterday at 12:05 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:05 PM I can't believe I live in a world where the seventh Alien movie made more money than a sequel to Joker in its opening weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale9001 Posted yesterday at 12:05 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:05 PM Risky movies have to be good too btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderByte Posted yesterday at 12:09 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:09 PM 5 hours ago, ListenHunnyUrOver said: Dune Part II didn't push any boundaries for science fiction, and Oppenheimer was a fairly conventional biopic. Joker 2 is expanding what a comic book sequel can be. They are not the same. There have been sequels that have been terrible for ages before now. It's not even the first bad Batman villain movie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...