Flop Weekend Thread: Top 5 Weekend Actuals - TSLOP2 $46.65M | Dark Phoenix $32.83M | Aladdin $24.68M | Godzilla KOTM $15.45M | Rocketman $13.82M

[Blankments]

49 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

I'm sure people cared, it's just X-Men came into Hollywood severely mismanaged and left that way.... It's successes were almost always in spite of itself. People would have cared MORE if it hadn't:

#1: Started under an executive who looked down on the property,

#2: Was given to a director who was always sort of embarrassed by the property
#3: Had its budgets constantly messed with
#4: Was almost always being meddled with by executives

It's best movies (First Class, Logan, Days of Future Past, Deadpool) all came after leadership at the studio changed and directors were allowed to make films that meant something to them.... so long as they agreed to a lower budget. 

Letting Singer back in the building was basically all she wrote. Everything he touches eventually turns to trash the longer you let him hold onto it. The X-Men's biggest problem as a film series is that it was never defined by what it was, but by what it WASN'T. Eventually the rest of the industry got over being embarrassed about superheroes, and X-Men & Fox never did. If anything limited the franchise, it was that.

But Singer... directed DOFP. And X2 is a good movie

 

 

singer is trash human but those are good movies 

[Darth Lehnsherr]

I blame Simon Kinberg much more than Bryan Singer. Dude has written five superhero films and only one of them has been well received.

[LawrenceBrolivier]

10 minutes ago, Blankments said:

But Singer... directed DOFP. And X2 is a good movie

 

 

singer is trash human but those are good movies 

And he built DOFP off what Vaughn already had in place and planned. It was giftwrapped for him. He came back because he needed a hit and he basically swooped in and shortcut to Vaughn's endgame. And even then he didn't live up to the full potential of it, and when he held onto it, he ruined it (Apocalypse)

I also didn't say X2 was a bad movie. I just didn't name it as one of the best, because it isn't anymore. It's a good entry in a mediocre franchise. The 4 movies I listed are the 4 best films. Singer only directed 1 of them, and his status as a trash human being aside, his embarrassment at making comic book movies hurt the franchise. And looking back at his history, its probably safe to say that Usual Suspects aside, he was never a great director.... just pretty good at best. 

Blaming the writer makes some sense but everyone should know by now that whatever the writer wrote before it got to the set is almost never what gets made. That's why the best scripts are so remarkable... if you managed to write something so strong it survives the mangling its guaranteed to get, you did a good job. I figure if you're going to praise the director when it goes right you need to also ding him when it goes wrong. Its not like directors wont just change something in the script the second they dont like it anyway. I'm not a Kinberg fan but if it comes to a question of who is more responsible between him and Singer.... I'm taking the guy who bailed on Last Stand, screwed up Superman Returns, and got fired from Bohemian Rhapsody

[LawrenceBrolivier]

27 minutes ago, filmscholar said:

 

 

MIB4 Sans Will (who's on fire right now) or Tommy I just don't know. 

Will won't be on fire when Gemini Man wets the bed later this year. 

And MIB lost its way when the first sequel wasnt all about Will Smith and Linda Fiorentino. Its the 90s version of Ghostbusters.... a franchise that probably shouldnt have been a franchise, because you'll never be able to get close to what made that first one so good. Lightning in a bottle. Trying to retrofit a formula onto something that was successful because it completely refused to be formula is a recipe for disappointment. 

[cannastop]

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Usual Locations (~70% of Market) - Weekend Admissions 

Biggest Openers Since 2015:

Saturday Results (~70% of Market):
Tickets Sold/Available Tickets (% Capacity), [Theaters/Showings], Film Title
348,024/605,267 (57.4% capacity), [239/1,676] - Detective Conan: Crimson Love Letter (Apr., 2017)
345,143/655,976 (52.6% capacity), [249/1,832] - Detective Conan: Zero the Enforcer (Apr., 2018)
332,987/725,315 (45.9% capacity), [258/2,202] - Detective Conan: The Fist of Blue Sapphire (Apr., 2019)
330,349/701,865 (47.1% capacity), [247/2,864] - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (July, 2017)
317,709/530,456 (59.9% capacity), [231/1,727] - Yo-Kai Watch: Great King Enma and the 5 Stories, Nyan! (Dec., 2015)
293,246/714,702 (41.0% capacity), [236/2,789] - Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Dec., 2015)
289,656/530,905 (54.5% capacity), [230/1,502] - Detective Conan: The Darkest Nightmare (Apr., 2016)
286,726/658,842 (43.5% capacity), [231/2,256] - One Piece Film Gold (July, 2016)
283,482/670,255 (42.3% capacity), [254/2,527] - Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec., 2017)
271,313/719,670 (37.7% capacity), [261/2,374] - Aladdin (June, 2019)
266,911/816,498 (32.7% capacity), [251/3,196] - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (July, 2018)
262,671/667,610 (39.3% capacity), [245/2,327] - Beauty and the Beast (Apr., 2017)
248,613/533,783 (46.6% capacity), [258/2,293] - Avengers: Endgame (Apr., 2019)
241,332/608,132 (39.7% capacity), [250/1,979] - Code Blue (July, 2018)
227,517/473,967 (48.0% capacity), [221/1,582] - Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F (Apr., 2015)
217,221/919,956 (23.6% capacity), [258/3,250] - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (Nov., 2018)
209,804/462,825 (45.3% capacity), [229/1,366] - Detective Conan: Sunflowers of Inferno (Apr., 2015)
205,137/648,401 (31.6% capacity), [259/2,096] - Godzilla: King of the Monsters (June, 2019)
202,075/451,836 (44.7% capacity), [218/1,257] - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
196,491/520,369 (37.8% capacity), [237/1,744] - Jurassic World (Aug., 2015)
193,053/648,160 (29.8% capacity), [252/2,037] - Dragon Ball Super: Broly (Dec., 2018)
187,901/485,825 (38.7% capacity), [235/1,574] - Doraemon: Nobita's Treasure Island (Mar., 2018)
174,797/501,322 (34.8% capacity), [240/1,487] - Doraemon: Nobita's Great Adventure in the Antarctic (Mar., 2017)
166,650/766,440 (21.7% capacity), [241/2,556] - Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (Nov., 2016)
157,910/547,894 (28.8% capacity), [252/1,655] - Doraemon: Nobita's Chronicle of Moon Exploration (Mar., 2019)
157,739/484,007 (32.6% capacity), [247/1,422] - Masquerade Hotel (Jan., 2019)
139,061/668,663 (20.8% capacity), [236/2,346] - Finding Dory (July, 2016)
136,031/515,406 (26.4% capacity), [233/1,460] - Doraemon: Nobita and the Birth of Japan (Mar., 2016)

Sunday Results (~70% of Market):
Tickets Sold/Available Tickets (% Capacity), [Theaters/Showings], Film Title
415,451/710,757 (58.5% capacity), [258/2,166] - Detective Conan: The Fist of Blue Sapphire (Apr., 2019)
357,985/643,941 (55.6% capacity), [249/1,793] - Detective Conan: Zero the Enforcer (Apr., 2018)
328,862/595,145 (55.3% capacity), [240/1,648] - Detective Conan: Crimson Love Letter (Apr., 2017)
316,396/810,365 (39.0% capacity), [251/3,159] - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (July, 2018)
303,414/524,359 (57.9% capacity), [231/1,688] - Yo-Kai Watch: Great King Enma and the 5 Stories, Nyan! (Dec., 2015)
288,800/558,006 (51.7% capacity), [250/1,859] - Code Blue (July, 2018)
282,386/512,761 (55.1% capacity), [230/1,434] - Detective Conan: The Darkest Nightmare (Apr., 2016)
275,491/670,208 (41.1% capacity), [236/2,636] - Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Dec., 2015)
264,078/659,166 (40.1% capacity), [254/2,486] - Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec., 2017)
263,634/633,723 (41.6% capacity), [245/2,241] - Beauty and the Beast (Apr., 2017)
240,717/553,701 (43.5% capacity), [257/1,672] - Doraemon: Nobita's Chronicle of Moon Exploration (Mar., 2019)
234,075/456,584 (51.2% capacity), [218/1,263] - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
228,840/514,921 (44.4% capacity), [258/2,258] - Avengers: Endgame (Apr., 2019)
220,152/483,455 (45.5% capacity), [235/1,567] - Doraemon: Nobita's Treasure Island (Mar., 2018)
219,122/687,402 (31.9% capacity), [247/2,805] - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (July, 2017)
217,273/450,421 (48.2% capacity), [229/1,277] - Detective Conan: Sunflowers of Inferno (Apr., 2015)
214,354/623,299 (34.4% capacity), [252/1,972] - Dragon Ball Super: Broly (Dec., 2018)
210,322/497,446 (42.2% capacity), [240/1,479] - Doraemon: Nobita's Great Adventure in the Antarctic (Mar., 2017)
207,464/639,737 (32.4% capacity), [231/2,205] - One Piece Film Gold (July, 2016)
205,221/685,215 (29.9% capacity), [236/2,336] - Finding Dory (July, 2016)
203,669/748,846 (27.2% capacity), [243/2,554] - Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (Nov., 2016)
201,580/429,746 (46.9% capacity), [221/1,467] - Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F (Apr., 2015)
196,225/903,942 (21.7% capacity), [258/3,189] - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (Nov., 2018)
191,678/510,040 (37.6% capacity), [233/1,443] - Doraemon: Nobita and the Birth of Japan (Mar., 2016)
179,254/485,593 (36.9% capacity), [247/1,414] - Masquerade Hotel (Jan., 2019)
175,504/501,557 (35.0% capacity), [237/1,587] - Jurassic World (Aug., 2015)
136,457/548,056 (24.9% capacity), [259/2,017] - Godzilla: King of the Monsters (June, 2019)

Weekend Results (~70% of Market):
Tickets Sold/Available Tickets (% Capacity), [Theaters/Showings], Film Title 
748,438/1,436,072 (52.1% capacity), [258/4,368] - Detective Conan: The Fist of Blue Sapphire (Apr., 2019)
703,128/1,299,917 (54.1% capacity), [249/3,625] - Detective Conan: Zero the Enforcer (Apr., 2018)
676,886/1,200,412 (56.4% capacity), [240/3,324] - Detective Conan: Crimson Love Letter (Apr., 2017)
621,123/1,051,181 (59.1% capacity), [231/3,415] - Yo-Kai Watch: Great King Enma and the 5 Stories, Nyan! (Dec., 2015)
583,307/1,626,823 (35.9% capacity), [251/6,355] - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (July, 2018)
572,042/1,043,666 (54.8% capacity), [230/2,936] - Detective Conan: The Darkest Nightmare (Apr., 2016)
569,497/1,392,147 (40.9% capacity), [236/5,431] - Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Dec., 2015)
549,579/1,389,766 (39.6% capacity), [247/5,670] - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (July, 2017)
547,821/1,330,179 (41.2% capacity), [254/5,015] - Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec., 2017)
530,132/1,116,138 (47.5% capacity), [250/3,838] - Code Blue (July, 2018)
526,470/1,302,175 (40.4% capacity), [245/4,570] - Beauty and the Beast (Apr., 2017)
494,190/1,298,579 (38.1% capacity), [231/4,461] - One Piece Film Gold (July, 2016)
477,529/1,048,231 (45.6% capacity), [261/4,552] - Avengers: Endgame (Apr., 2019)
436,267/x,908,420 (48.0% capacity), [218/2,520] - Your Name. (Aug., 2016)
429,097/x,903,746 (47.5% capacity), [221/3,049] - Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F (Apr., 2015)
427,077/x,913,713 (46.8% capacity), [229/2,643] - Detective Conan: Sunflowers of Inferno (Apr., 2015)
413,446/1,823,898 (22.7% capacity), [258/6,439] - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (Nov., 2018)
408,053/x,969,280 (42.1% capacity), [235/3,141] - Doraemon: Nobita's Treasure Island (Mar., 2018)
407,419/1,271,559 (32.0% capacity), [252/4,010] - Dragon Ball Super: Broly (Dec., 2018)
398,627/1,101,595 (36.2% capacity), [257/3,337] - Doraemon: Nobita's Chronicle of Moon Exploration (Mar., 2019)
385,119/x,998,768 (38.6% capacity), [240/2,966] - Doraemon: Nobita's Great Adventure in the Antarctic (Mar., 2017)
371,995/1,021,926 (36.4% capacity), [237/3,331] - Jurassic World (Aug., 2015)
370,390/1,515,394 (24.4% capacity), [243/5,111] - Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (Nov., 2016)
344,292/1,394,229 (24.7% capacity), [236/4,683] - Finding Dory (July, 2016)
342,594/1,196,457 (28.6% capacity), [259/4,113] - Godzilla: King of the Monsters (June, 2019)
336,993/x,969,600 (34.8% capacity), [247/2,836] - Masquerade Hotel (Jan., 2019)
327,709/1,025,446 (31.9% capacity), [233/2,903] - Doraemon: Nobita and the Birth of Japan (Mar., 2016)

[Jonwo]

52 minutes ago, Sanderson said:

The Hugh Jackman as Wolverine casting really is up there with RDJ as Iron Man.  I would also put Sir Ian and Sir Patrick on that level, but they're just so good that they could literally play a piece of sh%t and pull it off.

Fassbender and McAvoy are solid but they are no match for McKellen and Stewart. I think when Marvel do reboot the series, it's going to be tough to replace the two Sirs and Jackman. 

40 minutes ago, filmscholar said:

 

 

MIB4 Sans Will (who's on fire right now) or Tommy I just don't know.  Remaking Movie Star Franchises minus the Big Star hasn't gone to well  (Ala Total Recall, Conan, Independence Day: Resurgence etc)  Even "Terminator: Salvation" didn't do too hot.   There's been exceptions like "Jumanji" and "Aladdin" which saw former Robin Williams roles become a success.   They are banking on Chris and Tessa Marvel chemistry transferring over.  I like F. Gary Gray but again we have to see how audiences respond to a Will-less MIB. 

Ocean's 8 which is more akin to MIB International was also successful. I think Jumanji is more of a sequel than a spin-off or a remake because it's so different to the original film.

 

In terms of video games adaptation, Warner Bros had the right idea with Rampage which most people didn't realise was a video game adaptation and was sold as a monster movie with Dwayne Johnson. I think having an known IP while it has a built in audience also brings in high expectations whereas you can get away with making big changes to more obscure and lesser known IP. 

Edited June 9, 2019 by Jonwo

[VENOM]

4 hours ago, Chewy said:

Slop 2 more like Flop 2

 

Dark Phoenix more like Dark Flopnix

 

💁‍♂️

Wow you are like so smart

[VENOM]

42 minutes ago, jedijake said:

Dark Phoenix is about a character who, in this X-Men series, was only just introduced in the last movie which wasn't well received. Also, that character was played by someone other than the original (Famke Janssen) just as Han Solo was played by someone other than Harrison Ford in the Solo movie. As much as Sophie Turner may have been liked in GOT, she didn't have time to gain enough of an X-Men following as Fassbender, McCovoy, or Lawrence. I think all of that has helped to feed into the problem with DP.

 

And as the previous poster said, MIB4 without Jones and Smith could run into the same problem despite having Hemsworth, Thompson, and Neeson.

Good point, the Dark Phoenix story line needed more movies to set it up properly but they were never going to get that anyway. They did the best they could with what they had it’s got some great action sequences and some pretty good acting. Overseas audience will help it do ok, they won’t be as harsh on it. 

[John Marston]

Apocalypse set up Sinister in its post credits scene. They clearly decided to change it to the Phoenix storyline to try and cash in on Sophie Turner becoming well known from

Game

of Thrones 

[dxmatrixdt]

it will be here in 4 minutes

Edited June 9, 2019 by Slave Animal Rights

[VENOM]

9 minutes ago, John Marston said:

Apocalypse set up Sinister in its post credits scene. They clearly decided to change it to the Phoenix storyline to try and cash in on Sophie Turner becoming well known from

Game

of Thrones 

I hope that wasn’t the reason lol her character was completely unlikable in game of thrones. GoT fans didn’t have the appetite for two potential disappointments, one was more than enough. 

Edited June 9, 2019 by VENOM

[Shawn Robbins]

I'm a huge X-Men fan and I won't even be seeing DP until tomorrow.

 

That seems relevant, somehow.

[Jonwo]

I'll be interested to see how long the gap is before we see MCU X-Men, I think it'll be 2024 or 2025. We'll probably the MCU Fantastic Four first.

 

I think they should ended the main X-Men series with Logan but now Dark Phoenix is going to be the Quest for Peace/Batman and Robin of the X-Men films.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2019 by Jonwo

[Shawn Robbins]

1 minute ago, Jonwo said:

I'll be interested to see how long the gap is before we see MCU X-Men, I think it'll be 2024 or 2025. We'll probably the MCU Fantastic Four first.

 

 

Agreed. I wouldn't discount the possibility of solo X-Men movies first, either. It might be criticized as the MCU formula, but it works for a reason.

[Jonwo]

1 minute ago, Shawn said:

Agreed. I wouldn't discount the possibility of solo X-Men movies first, either. It might be criticized as the MCU formula, but it works for a reason.

I think X-Men will be more like Guardians of the Galaxy in terms of team films. Apart from Deadpool, I don't see them doing solo X-Men films, I could see characters like Xavier, Cyclops and maybe Storm make appearances in other films beforehand. 

 

 

[Yandereprime101189]

7 minutes ago, Jonwo said:

I'll be interested to see how long the gap is before we see MCU X-Men, I think it'll be 2024 or 2025. We'll probably the MCU Fantastic Four first.

 

I think they should ended the main X-Men series with Logan but now Dark Phoenix is going to be the Quest for Peace/Batman and Robin of the X-Men films.

 

 

 

It started with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, it should have ended with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

 

He's the one the moviegoers actually seem to care about, because it seems the worst performing ones are the ones where he either cameos or isn't in it (not counting Deadpool)

[OncomingStorm93]

The X-Men as a team can't just be introduced off the bat. The concept of mutants needs to be worked into the MCU before a team of them can even assemble.

[Jonwo]

1 minute ago, Yandereprime101189 said:

 

It started with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, it should have ended with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

 

He's the one the moviegoers actually seem to care about, because it seems the worst performing ones are the ones where he either cameos or isn't in it (not counting Deadpool)

It's a testament to Jackman that he was willing to make the films better after Origins didn't do well critically and to an extent financially. 

[expensiveho]

Was going to watch Aladdin for the third time and it was sold out (on its fucking 3rd weekend!!!) So we had to buy tickets for DP. Fuck Disney tbh. 

[cannastop]

20 minutes ago, expensiveho said:

Was going to watch Aladdin for the third time and it was sold out (on its fucking 3rd weekend!!!) So we had to buy tickets for DP. Fuck Disney tbh. 

Selling out in Venezuela huh?