Noctis Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Comparing book sales was an utter stupid thing to do, especially the initial print sales. I mean, what is he trying to say? That BD had better book legs? OF COURSE.The hype and demand for the Deathly Hallows book is insurmountable. Nothing in the history of publishing that's not Potter came within 20% of its opening day sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumos Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ray pissed me off when he fucking compared the INITIAL BOOK SALES of DH and BD. That was so fucking stupid on his part.Exactly! Why are initial sales relevant? Overall sales are probably quite close....I think DH sold about 15M copies and Eclipse like 12M in the States. And twilight gets so much more attention from the media and awards shows like MTV....not to mention Robert Pattison and Taylor Lautner are nearly as popular as the beatles....that contributes immensely to the gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheGrappler Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 one example of this is how whenever Twilight movies take a big drop in their second weekend, HP fans are quick to laugh and tell about how bad the WOM is. But when HP movies take a huge drop in their second weekend, that is just because of "Frontloadedness". Hypocrisy at its finest. And the HP fans have the gall to talk about people "undermining" their success, when that is all many of them do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiantCALBears Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 the real fun begins with Saturday and Sunday's grosses because we should get a good idea of where this is heading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsolo Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 You make it sound like the 3D/IMAX added $10m, when it didn't. No I didn't. I know what the midnight for DH2 was without 3D/IMAX. My point was it's pointless to compare the two because the same scenario is never going to happen. Just like it's impossible to compare the Friday opening of DH2 to the Friday opening of BD1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecstasy Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 That is fantastic for Breaking Dawn!I see the fans have not abandoned their franchise.Amazing number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBravo69 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Nice.. In line with my prediction!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTF Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Very good start for Twatlight: Breaking Wind.Also, hello to my fellow former mojo posters...I just signed up and have to set up my account, but great to see this new forum up and running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder / Operator Shawn Robbins Posted November 18, 2011 Founder / Operator Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hey, FTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsuseournoggin Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I've yet to see anyone disagree with Ray's assessment of Twilight being the more impressive movie franchise other than obvious Potter fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spizzer Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 So I guess these films just do better on the West than the East.On the flip side, Potter always had phenomenal sellouts on the East, but tended to be overestimated because the later west showings were not up to pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchumacherFTW Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 All I know is that the atmosphere in the theatre for this is electric at the moment with the curtain seconds away from rising. I'm so glad the UK audience is more subdued than the stereotypical US one (though I do want to experience that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundersteele Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) so, if it makes 150M for the weekend, does it beat DH2 in admissions? Edited November 18, 2011 by thundersteele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ray's correct in pointing out that (domestically) the Twilight franchise has done a better job of maximizing its fan base (in other words, per-fan average). HP is much more successful doing that worldwide, but I don't see why there should be any disagreement or outrage about what he said (and I say that as a non-fan of either franchise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder / Operator Shawn Robbins Posted November 18, 2011 Founder / Operator Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) People strive to put a crown on one or the other out of fandom (or anti-fandom). Ray's assessment is his own opinion, not factual evidence of anything. The mention of book sales and comparing POA's 7-year-old gross to Eclipse just doesn't offer strong perspective on anything.And I say that as someone who usually enjoys his articles, but he's always had inherent qualifiers that downplay Potter's achievements in some way. If you're going to start a paragraph by lambasting people for downplaying a series, don't turn around and end the same paragraph by doing the same thing yourself.Two cents. Edited November 18, 2011 by ShawnMR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I am an HP fan, but I won't undermine Twilight's success. I agree that Twilight's Us performance is actually more impressive than HP's. All the HP movies besides 1 and 8 I personally see as underperformers domestically a bit considering the huge popularity of those books.Also, the Twilight movies definitely helped get a large amount of new fans of the books, while the HP movies, not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozmeesah Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 one example of this is how whenever Twilight movies take a big drop in their second weekend, HP fans are quick to laugh and tell about how bad the WOM is. But when HP movies take a huge drop in their second weekend, that is just because of "Frontloadedness". Hypocrisy at its finest. And the HP fans have the gall to talk about people "undermining" their success, when that is all many of them doHP fans do nothing of the sort. From what I can remember, all seem very well aware that both franchises are extremely frontloaded and have always said that. You keep bringing up these generalizations about HP fans that are either unfair or untrue.Regardless, I am SO fricking sick of the HP vs. Twilight crap. Both are huge BO wise, both have a lot of fans, both are frontloaded. Can't we leave it at that and SHUT UP ABOUT IT??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Um, no it wouldn't. DH2 made 2M from midnight and if those people were unable to see the film in that format they would have went to a normal theater and that 2M would have shrunk to something like 1.4-1.5M. The lack of IMAX brought this down by at most 0.5M....Well, I disagree. 280 IMAX theaters would have added perhaps another 1.5 mill to it. You're right, 3 mill is too much, but it would have done about 1.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Just wait until TH1 comes out and obliterates both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Fantastic for BD1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
