Wednesday Numbers: TLJ $5.1 million

[baumer]

Saw All The Money in The World today. Phenomenal film. Plummer better be nominated for best supporting. He was terrific. Will make my top 25.

[baumer]

As for Star Wars having a very bad drop today, I was wrong. Looks like every film pretty much fell over 30% today.

[titanic2187]

2 hours ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

30-35% is normal. The Monday/Tuesday numbers are a bigger issue. Monday in particular screwed over the rest of this week since it failed to jump by anywhere near the amount other films were jumping.

Ever since TLJ release, the main problem with its grosses was it failed to jump impressively, the 2nd friday jump, CD jump, 3rd friday jump and NY jump, all are the most disappointing %, while the drop for each day is still debatable.... 

[NoLegMan]

I wonder if insidious will underperform looks like it sucks.

[jedieb]

I know it's not perfect, but I was curious at where TLJ would wind up on BOM's All Time Adjusted chart in terms of SW films.

 

2. ANH $1.59B

11. TFA $965M

13. ESB $876M

16. ROTJ $839M

18. TPM $806M

57. TLJ $544

58. RO $539M

65. ROTS $529

95. AOTC $477

 

I haven't tracked this run as closely as I did TFA's, so I really have no solid idea just where TLJ is going to end up, but I don't think I'm too far off in thinking it's going to end up either just north or south of $600M. TLJ is going to drop hard from TFA, but it doesn't look like the drop is going to be as steep as AOTC's drop from TPM. I remember being crushed by that run. At the time, AOTC not only got beaten by Spiderman, but it barely made it past $300M. First SW film to not end up #1 the year it was released.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2018 by jedieb

[EmmaPeel]

6 hours ago, Captain Craig said:

Only on the internet do I hear complaints. The multiple people I've spoken to wholly enjoy the film AND they knew of the RT score. They couldn't relate. 

I'd be more likely to say there is a camp that still blindly trusts RT too much vs actual WOM.

Every single person I've talked to in my real life was either mixed on TLJ or hated it. I guess it all depends on your crowd.

 

6 hours ago, Captain Craig said:

I get what you're saying but we are still outliers. 

Not everyone whittles away time on boards like this. They do still check something like RT though.

It's not just boards like this though. Mixed WOM is everywhere. RT, MC, IMDB, Facebook, Twitter, and real life.

 

6 hours ago, Captain Craig said:

Again, I haven't seen that.

 

I know one guy, die hard SW fan and he still said "Thumbs Up, but barely". That's the harshest personal comment I've seen on the film. My anecdotal range of folks doesn't see the hate for this film some camps are on about.

Like I said, different crowds. The biggest SW fan in my life, my big sister (who saw the original Star Wars in the theater 57 times in it's original run) thought TLJ was "worse than Attack of the Clones and I never thought that was even possible". Our brother and I liked some of it and didn't like other parts but I don't know anyone in real life who loved it. Some liked it but all had some reservations and criticisms.

 

"I liked it but it was too long and slow in middle"

"It was pretty good but I didn't like how they handled Luke or Leia"

"It was okay but I don't want Rey making goo-goo eyes at Han Solo's murderer and they wasted Finn"

"It was beautiful to look at but sterile"

 

Stuff like that.

 

6 hours ago, Valonqar said:

Yes they were. I remember that they first called for RO boycott cause of female lead and minority casting. Then the movie came out, they found out the female lead and all minorities keeled over so they changed the tune and started to campaign to put butts in RO seats. Influence on boxoffice in both cases? ZERO. 

They also boycotted RO because they thought the fascist nature of the Empire in it was an attack on Trump. Apparently, they'd never seen a SW movie before and weren't aware that the Empire were always depicted as space Nazis and that Nazis are bad guys to sane people.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supporters-star-wars-rogue-one-boycott-2016-12

 

The alt-right also went after TFA. They tried to boycott and spam it's scores too. They hated Finn, Rey, and Poe for obvious reasons. Their efforts didn't work because the general audience liked TFA and RO enough to drown them out. That's not the case with TLJ. A solid % of the GA has enough problems with the movie that they can't bolster the scores enough to offset the trolls and bots. The true audience score for TLJ is certainly higher than 50% or so but I doubt it's any higher than 75%.

 

5 hours ago, RandomYojimbo said:

I think we can all agree that Disney/LFL is so upset with TLJ and it's performance, they are letting Johnson write/direct a Trilogy still.

The trilogy was announced as part of TLJ's PR campaign and before they saw the audience's response.

 

5 hours ago, CenterMeOnSam said:

I am pretty sure they just announced that Rian Johnson starts shooting his new trilogy in Scotland this June. 

It wasn't announced. Some blog said that and it got picked up in several places. It's not true. What was announced several weeks ago is that JJ Abrams starts shooting Episode IX in June and Scotland is a possible location. Apparently that original blog post got the wires crossed and assumed it was Johnson and his new movie. 

 

4 hours ago, RandomYojimbo said:

 After dropping Trank, Treverrow, Lord/Miller, totally just waiting to not hurt Johnsons feelings.

It has nothing to do with that. They announced the trilogy as part of the PR for TLJ, why would they shoot themselves in the foot by firing him while it's still in theaters? If the trilogy gets canceled, it'll happen quietly after the home video release.

 

4 hours ago, New Year New Panda said:

From what I understand he had to have pitched something in order to get green lighted.  Regardless, I think the worst that happens to Johnson’s trilogy is that it gets a bit more oversight from Kennedy to ensure it doesn’t do anything to controversial.

Johnson himself says he didn't even have a story treatment. As of early December, he still didn't know what era it would be set in.

[vc2002]

1	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$936,662,225	2015
2	Avatar	Fox	$760,507,625	2009^
3	Titanic	Par.	$659,363,944	1997^
4	Jurassic World	Uni.	$652,270,625	2015
5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$623,357,910	2012
6	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$544,613,735	2017
7	The Dark Knight	WB	$534,858,444	2008^
8	Rogue One: A Star Wars Story	BV	$532,177,324	2016
9	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	2017
10	Finding Dory	BV	$486,295,561	2016

 

 

TDK will probably not be in the top10 all time list within a couple of years.

 

[Adm56]

5 hours ago, REC said:

I'll analyze my feelings about that and get back to you. 

For me personally the high RT score contributed to what in hindsight were unrealistic quality expectations and made the 'what is this garbage?' whiplash while watching it worse. If it would have had mixed reviews I would have been better prepared for what I ultimately considered to be a mediocre film. 

 

What saddens me the most is that we've had two directors in a row now (Edwards and Johnson) that I would have thought would be THE best choices for a SW film and neither produced a movie I enjoyed all that much. So who else is there? JJ produced my favorite of the new wave but he also made ST Into Darkness....

[Chaz]

6 of the top ten films of all-time are from the last two years. When was there ever so much movement in the top ten before?

[baumer]

3 hours ago, Chaz said:

6 of the top ten films of all-time are from the last two years. When was there ever so much movement in the top ten before?

 

When you release three SW films in three years, I guess there's a good chance that there will be movement.

[Barnack]

6 minutes ago, Chaz said:

6 of the top ten films of all-time are from the last two years. When was there ever so much movement in the top ten before?

Would it not be 4 domestic and less WW ?

Rank	Title(click to view)	Studio	Lifetime Gross	Year^
1	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$936,662,225	2015
2	Avatar	Fox	$760,507,625	2009^
3	Titanic	Par.	$659,363,944	1997^
4	Jurassic World	Uni.	$652,270,625	2015
5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$623,357,910	2012
6	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$544,613,735	2017
7	The Dark Knight	WB	$534,858,444	2008^
8	Rogue One: A Star Wars Story	BV	$532,177,324	2016
9	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	2017
10	Finding Dory	BV	$486,295,561	2016

 

 

Rank	Title	Studio	Worldwide	Domestic / %		Overseas / %		Year^
1	Avatar	Fox	$2,788.0	$760.5	27.3%	$2,027.5	72.7%	2009^
2	Titanic	Par.	$2,187.5	$659.4	30.1%	$1,528.1	69.9%	1997^
3	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$2,068.2	$936.7	45.3%	$1,131.6	54.7%	2015
4	Jurassic World	Uni.	$1,671.7	$652.3	39.0%	$1,019.4	61.0%	2015
5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$1,518.8	$623.4	41.0%	$895.5	59.0%	2012
6	Furious 7	Uni.	$1,516.0	$353.0	23.3%	$1,163.0	76.7%	2015
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$1,405.4	$459.0	32.7%	$946.4	67.3%	2015
8	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	WB	$1,341.5	$381.0	28.4%	$960.5	71.6%	2011
9	Frozen	BV	$1,276.5	$400.7	31.4%	$875.7	68.6%	2013
10	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$1,263.5	$504.0	39.9%	$759.5	60.1%	2017

 

 

2015 had quite the movement with Ultron, Jurassic World, Awaken and Furious 7

 

 

[jimisawesome]

3 hours ago, manny1234 said:

Disney despite Star Wars TLJ performing lower than Jumanjii right now is still enforcing the 4 weekend rule for theaters. I think it is stupid.

I guess now that they will have 40 percent of the market they are in full on FU mode but that is not a good way to treat your partners and have them all warm and fuzzy in the future when they need screens say for Solo from week 3 on.  

[a2k]

2 hours ago, vc2002 said:

1	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$936,662,225	2015
2	Avatar	Fox	$760,507,625	2009^
3	Titanic	Par.	$659,363,944	1997^
4	Jurassic World	Uni.	$652,270,625	2015
5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$623,357,910	2012
6	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$544,613,735	2017
7	The Dark Knight	WB	$534,858,444	2008^
8	Rogue One: A Star Wars Story	BV	$532,177,324	2016
9	Beauty and the Beast (2017)	BV	$504,014,165	2017
10	Finding Dory	BV	$486,295,561	2016

 

 

TDK will probably not be in the top10 all time list within a couple of years.

 

Remember when TDK was the 2nd biggest all-time behind Titanic? 500+ meant something more back then (and cannot even fathom what 600+ meant in 1997).

There's a shot that this year no film makes it to 500 dom, so TDK doing it 10 years back was something special, in 2D. 

And if a film makes 500+ this year, Dory will be pushed out - top 10 will only have 500+.

Edited January 5, 2018 by a2knet

[aabattery]

2 minutes ago, a2knet said:

Remember when TDK was the 2nd biggest all-time behind Titanic? 500+ meant something more back then (and cannot even fathom what 600+ meant in 1997).

There's a shot that this year no film makes it to 500 dom, so TDK doing it 10+ years back was something special, in 2D. 

And if a film makes 500+ this year, Dory will be pushed out - top 10 will only have 500+.

 

And 60% of them are Disney movies. And they own Avatar now.

 

[NoLegMan]

As much as Avatar is honestly a meh film. I was like no way a second film does as well as the first one. But then I thought about it. The overseas market is a lot better now than it was. And the WOM for Avatar is insane legit sooo many people constantly are like "When will Avatar be dethroned" it reminds me a lot of video games when every MMO that came was advertised as the "Warcraft Killer" so yeah it's a nice little theory on why it may actually do better than the first one.

[a2k]

Potter was such a beast OS.

It's 960.5 and it did 60.8 in China. So even OS-China is 900. More than TA's OS including China.

 

5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$1,518.8	$623.4	41.0%	$895.5	59.0%	2012
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$1,405.4	$459.0	32.7%	$946.4	67.3%	2015
8	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	WB	$1,341.5	$381.0	28.4%	$960.5	71.6%	2011

[KP1025]

6 minutes ago, a2knet said:

Potter was such a beast OS.

It's 960.5 and it did 60.8 in China. So even OS-China is 900. More than TA's OS including China.

 

5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$1,518.8	$623.4	41.0%	$895.5	59.0%	2012
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$1,405.4	$459.0	32.7%	$946.4	67.3%	2015
8	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	WB	$1,341.5	$381.0	28.4%	$960.5	71.6%	2011

 

And then you have Avatar, which made over $1.8 billion OS without China. 

 

1

Avatar

Fox

$2,788.0

$760.5

27.3%

$2,027.5

72.7%

2009^

[vc2002]

17 minutes ago, a2knet said:

Potter was such a beast OS.

It's 960.5 and it did 60.8 in China. So even OS-China is 900. More than TA's OS including China.

 

5	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$1,518.8	$623.4	41.0%	$895.5	59.0%	2012
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$1,405.4	$459.0	32.7%	$946.4	67.3%	2015
8	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	WB	$1,341.5	$381.0	28.4%	$960.5	71.6%	2011

 

I think you have it wrong. It should be the othe way around "TA was such a beast OS, it made almost as much as Potter."

 

 

 

 

[lilmac]

4 hours ago, jedieb said:

I know it's not perfect, but I was curious at where TLJ would wind up on BOM's All Time Adjusted chart in terms of SW films.

 

2. ANH $1.59B

11. TFA $965M

13. ESB $876M

16. ROTJ $839M

18. TPM $806M

57. TLJ $544

58. RO $539M

65. ROTS $529

95. AOTC $477

 

I haven't tracked this run as closely as I did TFA's, so I really have no solid idea just where TLJ is going to end up, but I don't think I'm too far off in thinking it's going to end up either just north or south of $600M. TLJ is going to drop hard from TFA, but it doesn't look like the drop is going to be as steep as AOTC's drop from TPM. I remember being crushed by that run. At the time, AOTC not only got beaten by Spiderman, but it barely made it past $300M. First SW film to not end up #1 the year it was released.

 

 

Mid 600s. It’s drop from TLJ is in line with the drops that AOTC and ESB had. 

[baumer]

Saw Last Flag Flying tonight.  Phenomenal film.  Cranston is superb.