Charism Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 1 hour ago, BKB IS CAPTAIN AMERICA said: And at the top of those stairs stands this Man, staring off at the ocean smoking a peace pipe: Pissing. He was pissing to the ocean. That's why he took so much time to turn around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Saw this again with the wife and kids and actually enjoyed it a lot more than the first time. I still rank it below ESB and ANH but it's definitely better than ROTJ and the (still underrated) prequels. Most of my problems (the rehashed plot, way too many setups for the sequels) didn't seem as important this time and I just focused on how awesome the characters are. It's actually quite clever how JJ and Kasdan wrote the new characters as if they know they're in a SW movie. It's almost meta the way they react to being in that galaxy and discovering the Force is real but it works for reintroducing the audience to that world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffe Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 11 hours ago, Obi-Wan Telemachos said: KenTremendous "She's too good at too many things too quickly!" - Misogynistic dudes talking about Rey if TFA had begun with 6 hours showing her training12/23/15, 5:12 PM KenTremendous "He's too good at too many things too quickly!" - Something those dudes never said, or even thought to say, about Luke12/23/15, 5:13 PM KenTremendous In Episode IV, 26 minutes elapse from when Luke hears about the Force for the first time and when he uses it. Most of that not his story.12/23/15, 5:17 PM KenTremendous Also, then he blows up the Death Star, by using the Force, while flying a spaceship he has never seen until like one minute earlier.12/23/15, 5:18 PM KenTremendous Rey is straight-up a better character than Luke, and the role is far better acted, and complaining about her abilities is garbage.12/23/15, 5:19 PM KenTremendous Jedi have abilities. It's the deal with Jedi. She's a Jedi. The movie explains both her terrestrial and Force-based abilities quite well.12/23/15, 5:20 PM KenTremendous My larger point here, I guess, is that IV-VI were so visionary and ground-breaking that we forgive them their (many) flaws. (1/)12/23/15, 6:12 PM KenTremendous The characters in IV-VI are thin and speak subtext constantly. "Take care of yourself, Han. I guess that's what you're best at!" (2/)12/23/15, 6:13 PM KenTremendous And now we've had 30 years to examine and ponder and make excuses for them. Which they deserve, because they're great. (3/)12/23/15, 6:14 PM KenTremendous But you can't argue that Luke is some amazing 3-dimensional fully-fleshed out character after IV. Because he really isn't. (4/)12/23/15, 6:14 PM KenTremendous And I've certainly never heard anyone -- in the 9000 conversations I've had about IV -- say that he learned too much too quickly. (5/)12/23/15, 6:15 PM KenTremendous So when people say that about Rey, who I do believe is a better character with a higher ceiling than Luke, with a better actor (6/)12/23/15, 6:16 PM KenTremendous playing her, it smacks to me of (a) grading Luke and all of IV on a cray nostalgic curve, and (b) a little bit of misogyny. (7/)12/23/15, 6:17 PM KenTremendous Luke picks up a lightsaber, hears about the Force, and 26 minutes later he is angry at Han for not believing in it. (8/)12/23/15, 6:17 PM KenTremendous He's angry that Han doesn't believe in something he had literally never heard of until 26 minutes earlier. No one bats an eye at that. (9/)12/23/15, 6:18 PM KenTremendous Then a dark Jedi enters her brain and messes around and something Awakens. Then she's better at stuff, just like (moreso than?) Luke. (11/)12/23/15, 6:21 PM KenTremendous There are issues reasonable people can take with the storytelling of VII. I have some. But "Rey is too good at things!" is silly...(12/)12/23/15, 6:21 PM KenTremendous ...based on how good other people are at things in previous movies. And if her flaws haven't fully emerged as storytelling devices (13/)12/23/15, 6:22 PM KenTremendous they are certainly present, already: reluctance to leave home, clinging to the past, unwillingness to be part of something larger. (14/)12/23/15, 6:23 PM KenTremendous If IV came out now it would be torn to shreds. Celebrated, I'd imagine, for it's singular vision, then ripped for dialogue and thin (15/)12/23/15, 6:26 PM KenTremendous characterization. IV was great. VII was great. Luke: great. Rey: great. Let's rejoice in how much greatness this franchise contains! (16/16)12/23/15, 6:27 PM I wish people would stop generaliztions and call a set of opinions racist or sexist or whatever. Luke's supposedly flawlessness doesn't excuse Rey poor characterization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyGossamer Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I'm in agreement with all that believe Luke's far and away the least interesting major player of the OT. It's characters like Han, Chewy, Vader, Obi Wan, R2, Jabba, Leia, Lando, etc. that make the OT for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 1 hour ago, Goffe said: I wish people would stop generaliztions and call a set of opinions racist or sexist or whatever. Luke's supposedly flawlessness doesn't excuse Rey poor characterization. Rey's poor characterization? What are you smoking? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatebox Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I'm one of the misogynists who who suggested Rey might be a little too good at absolutely everything on the Review thread, and I stand by it. If it's course correction for Hollywood's woeful track record with female protagonists in blockbusters, then so be it I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyGossamer Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 17 minutes ago, Obi-Wan Telemachos said: Rey's poor characterization? What are you smoking? What do think Film Critic Hulk will zero in on in his eventual essay dedicated to Force Awakens? His tweets indicate, aside from the acting, he didn't think much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't really care what Hulk thinks. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyGossamer Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I was just curious what you thought he would take to task is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 1 minute ago, JohnnyGossamer said: I was just curious what you thought he would take to task is all. Ah. From what I remember of his tweets, he thought the various character motivations made no sense? I don't exactly recall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark 33Legend of the Sith Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 19 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: Darth Vader's arc tragic and compelling? Anyways my point is that Vader is a crappy villain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatebox Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) I never saw Luke as flawless, certainly not in A New Hope at least. I perceived his sulking personality as deliberate, and his and Han's rescue of Leia was almost farcical. In fact the only time in that movie he transcends his Everyman status is when he blows up the Death Star using the Force. Edited December 24, 2015 by Hatebox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Rey is a force prodigy. Kylo was terrified of her power. Also, unlike Luke, she believed in the force from the get go. People say they want something different from ANH but when it's different they complain that Rey's learning curve should be closer to Luke's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Still Rey is too over powerful. If she already beat Rey then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 2 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: Still Rey is too over powerful. If she already beat Rey then what? I doubt Kylo Ren is the biggest threat in the sequel trilogy. He came off as a bad ass early in the movie but then was shown to be scared and confused kid. Maybe they upgrade his skill level or his boss gets involved personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: Still Rey is too over powerful. If she already beat Rey then what? Here we go again for the 2983057th time. Ren himself was not fully trained. Ren was seriously injured. Ren was a current emotional/mental basket case. Ren was holding back. Ren possessed an innate fear of Rey that caused him to slip up and crumble when she began Full Force Mode. Ren will not have any of those disadvantages the next time they face off. Edited December 24, 2015 by Dr 3va2an 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJackSparrow Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) 13 hours ago, Frozen said: Yes it did. Are we allowed to post that in here or is there some other spoiler thread for future movies? Nevermind Edited December 24, 2015 by CaptainJackSparrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't think it's a spoiler. To me he clearly says "Curses!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJackSparrow Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 You're right, it is just "curses". Nevermind, no spoiler here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 "Man I love Batman what a rad character. Got a gadget for everything" "Why is Rey such a Mary Sue" "You see Civil War? Black Panther's dope man, he can outthink ya and outmuscle ya" "Why is Rey such a Mary Sue" "Ayyyyy loved how James Bond flipped the script on the villain again" "Why is Rey such a Mary Sue" 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
