The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

[Firepower]

10 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:

The R rating will obviously slash part of the general audience. Kids won't be watching Joker.

 

I could see Joker performing like Venom or Logan, at least regarding domestic numbers. It won't have China to boost overseas grosses, though. So, more or less 210/226 million domestic + 300 million overseas. So, 550 million worldwide might happen.

 

I think word of mouth won't be great, the movie will be very divisive and the opening will be frontloaded as hell.

It won't be very divisive, even in US, Cinemascore may depend on how "feel good" movie is, but WOM doesn't. If it's great, it'll find its audience. General audience doesn't care about politics and that was one of the only "divisive" points among critics.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Firepower

[cdsacken]

27 minutes ago, Firepower said:

It won't be very divisive, even in US, Cinemascore may depend on how "feel good" movie is, but WOM doesn't. If it's great, it'll find its audience. General audience doesn't care about politics and that was one of the only "divisive" points among critics.

US was super divisive. Joker definitely looks to be divisive.

[Menor the Destroyer]

Once again seeing impressive Thursday sales and (relatively) not so impressive Friday #s.

 

Joker Thursday:

Theaters: 260 (+1)

Showings: 3484 (+232)

Tickets Sold: 43717 (+9483) (43% of TLK at the same point) (61% of TLK's pace at the same point)

Tickets Available: 508254 (+18773)

Estimated ATP: 12.53 (-0.11)

Estimated Total Sales: 547734 (+115125)

Estimated Nationwide Sales: 4.7 million (+1 million)

 

Joker Friday: 

Theaters: 259 (+1)

Showings: 4328 (+1076)

Tickets Sold: 38095 (+9916) (31% of TLK at the same point) (37% of TLK's pace at the same point)

Tickets Available: 677720 (+116929)

Estimated Total Sales: 455716 (+114543)

Estimated Nationwide Sales: 3.9 million (+1 million)

 

Sticking with mid-80s. I don't see 100 happening with this sort of Friday sales.

[FlashMaster659]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

I extract showtimes from the webpage and run a shell script. I am too lazy to do it manually. Empire alone was killing me. Next step I am trying to do it at national level but so far not successful.

Maybe it was explained here before but it would be cool if somebody posted a tutorial on using these programs to get seat data quicker.

Edited October 1, 2019 by FlashMaster659

[Menor the Destroyer]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

I extract showtimes from the webpage and run a shell script. I am too lazy to do it manually. Empire alone was killing me. Next step I am trying to do it at national level but so far not successful.

Getting showtimes automatically is difficult with AMC...the website is much harder to write a script for than Cinemark as the website structure is very hard to see with inspect element.

3 minutes ago, FlashMaster659 said:

Maybe it was explained here before but it would be cool if somebody posted a tutorial on using these programs to get seat data quicker.

 

Not sure how @keysersoze123 does it but I use Selenium to automate the browser, the software is found on https://www.seleniumhq.org/. Then if you know HTML, CSS, and Javascript you can use inspect element functionality on your web browser to figure out exactly what code you need to write to make the automated browser perform the desired tasks. If I get time I will post a longer explanation.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Menor

[Firepower]

7 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

US was super divisive. Joker definitely looks to be divisive.

Joker is not US and its story is kind of relatable to many people, it could help.

[cax16]

Another pretty good day for joker it seems. 

 

 

New tracking info - 27 theatres total( 5 not reporting yet) info below from 22 theatres 

 

Joker day 1 presales (5am on Tuesday)- 1275 tickets across all theatres.

 

Joker day 4 of presales (8:30pm Thursday) - 2609 tickets across all theatres. 

 

Joker day 5 of presales (8:15pm Friday) - 3183 tickets across all theatres. 

 

 

Joker day 6 of presales (8:45pm Saturday) - 3482 tickets across all theatres. 

 

Joker day 8 of presales (7:00pm Monday) - 4698 tickets across all theatres. 

 

 

Joker day 9 of presales (8:30pm Tuesday night)- 5745 tickets across all theatres

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by cax16

[Rorschach]

Joker: Thursday Night Previews at Davenport 53rd + IMAX

 

IMAX (2D)

4:00 - 10/387

7:00 - 42/387

10:00 - 3/387

 

2D

4:20 - 7/238

4:40 - 2/94

5:00 - 6/141

5:20 - 5/85

5:40 - 11/85

6:20 - 20/85

7:20 - 23/238

7:40 - 9/94

8:00 - 11/141

8:20 - 10/85

8:40 - 0/85

9:20 - 0/85

9:40 - 7/90

10:20 - 7/238

10:40 - 0/94

11:00 - 7/141

 

180/3,180 (5.66% of all seats sold)

 

Haven't looked at ticket sales for a film at my theater in quite some time. Forgot how fun it could be.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Rorschach

[TalismanRing]

1 hour ago, cax16 said:

Another pretty good day for joker it seems. 

 

 

New tracking info - 27 theatres total( 5 not reporting yet) info below from 22 theatres

 

What's the total # of tickets across all reporting theaters?

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by TalismanRing

[cax16]

2 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

What's the total # of tickets across all reporting theaters?

 

A lot, lol. Let me figure that out and I’ll come back in a bit. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by cax16

[excel1]

$25m+ previews

[DAJK]

Woah... this afternoon/evening was EXCELLENT for Joker. Unfortunately I don't have any data for Venom as to how much it jumped on the Tuesday before its release (so who knows, this might be normal) but I was NOT expecting that!!!

[Inceptionzq]

On 9/30/2019 at 4:37 PM, Inceptionzq said:

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24
Dolby:
4:00 PM	23	217
7:00 PM	111	217
10:00 PM	44	217
Prime:
4:30 PM	12	187
7:30 PM	53	187
10:30 PM	12	187
2D:
5:00 PM	5	158
5:30 PM	0	92
6:30 PM	17	94
8:00 PM	15	158
8:30 PM	4	92
9:30 PM	1	94
11:00 PM	0	158
Total	297	2058

 

AMC Highlands 24
IMAX:
4:30 PM	4	384
7:30 PM	22	384
10:30 PM	1	384
Dolby:
4:00 PM	22	210
7:00 PM	83	210
10:00 PM	20	210
2D:
5:15 PM	2	159
5:45 PM	6	159
6:15 PM	5	85
6:30 PM	2	85
7:15 PM	6	52
8:15 PM	7	159
8:45 PM	2	159
9:15 PM	0	85
9:30 PM	2	85
10:15 PM	4	52
Total	188	2862

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1102	176	14616	7.54%	8	81

 

IT 2 comp: 7.29M

Lion King comp: 6.76M

 

HUGE increase today. Easily surpasses IT 2's daily increase, though I had to do that count a few hours early. But the lead is big enough that those few hours probably wouldn't close the gap. Looking at Aurora's numbers for IT 2 on Wednesday and Thursday, I'd guesstimate that the comp would adjust to high 7M - low 8M. And for TLK, somewhere in the low to mid 7M. Just two days until I'll actually be able to adjust!

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24
Dolby:
4:00 PM	27	217
7:00 PM	119	217
10:00 PM	55	217
Prime:
4:30 PM	19	187
7:30 PM	61	187
10:30 PM	13	187
IMAX:
5:30 PM	0	411
8:30 PM	0	411
2D:
4:00 PM	0	94
4:15 PM	0	44
5:00 PM	7	158
5:30 PM	1	92
5:45 PM	0	36
6:00 PM	0	92
6:15 PM	0	48
6:15 PM	0	48
6:30 PM	17	94
6:45 PM	0	36
7:15 PM	0	44
7:15 PM	0	44
7:45 PM	0	56
8:00 PM	15	158
8:15 PM	0	44
8:30 PM	6	92
8:45 PM	0	36
9:00 PM	7	92
9:15 PM	0	48
9:15 PM	0	48
9:30 PM	1	94
9:45 PM	0	94
9:45 PM	0	36
10:15 PM	0	44
10:15 PM	0	44
10:45 PM	0	56
11:00 PM	0	158
Total	348	3964

 

AMC Highlands 24
IMAX:
4:30 PM	4	384
7:30 PM	29	384
10:30 PM	5	384
Dolby:
4:00 PM	23	210
7:00 PM	94	210
10:00 PM	29	210
2D:
4:15 PM	0	52
5:00 PM	0	52
5:15 PM	2	159
5:30 PM	0	85
5:45 PM	6	159
6:00 PM	0	52
6:15 PM	5	85
6:30 PM	2	85
6:45 PM	0	52
7:15 PM	6	52
7:45 PM	0	45
8:00 PM	0	52
8:15 PM	18	159
8:30 PM	2	85
8:45 PM	2	159
9:00 PM	0	52
9:15 PM	2	85
9:30 PM	2	85
9:45 PM	0	52
10:15 PM	6	52
Total	237	3441

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1419	317	18000	7.88%	8	125

 

Just FYI, I did the count at the usual time that I do. I just didn't have enough time to compile and post it.

 

Showings added: 44

Seats added: 3384

 

IT 2 comp: 7.76M

Lion King comp: 7.47M

 

Another big increase from yesterday. This time it was pretty even with what IT 2 did on the same day. Still nothing in Denver that would indicate double digit previews to me, even when guesstimating the adjusted comps. I don't think the adjusted comp would even be hitting 9M right now. But I'm not counting out double digits yet. IT 2 had a huge jump over the last two days. I think Joker can go even bigger.

[Old Spice]

Salt Lake Valley report for Joker, 2 days until previews.

 

Salt Lake City

Sugarhouse Cinemark, 10 showtimes (2 added, 92 additional seats.)

Total 188/723 26%

Tickets sold today- 38

 

235% of Dark Phoenix final

188% of Godzilla "

169% of John Wick "

101% of Pika "

52% of IT: Chapter 2 "

38% of TLK "

 

Greater Salt Lake

West Jordan Cinemark, 3 showtimes (PLF only) 91/645

Farmington Cinemark, 3 showtimes (PLF only) 59/438

Tickets sold today- 17

 

Bit of a slowdown in Salt Lake on Discount Tuesday, from a total of 71 yesterday to 55 today (-23%). Range of Sugarhouse OW comps is currently $90M (Godzilla) to $47M (IT) with two days of expected big increases still ahead.

 

UPDATE: Did one last check of some new numbers before going off to bed and I can already tell that tomorrow is going to be a GREAT day. 😎

Edited October 2, 2019 by A Star is Orm
typo

[keysersoze123]

3 hours ago, Menor said:

Getting showtimes automatically is difficult with AMC...the website is much harder to write a script for than Cinemark as the website structure is very hard to see with inspect element.

 

Not sure how @keysersoze123 does it but I use Selenium to automate the browser, the software is found on https://www.seleniumhq.org/. Then if you know HTML, CSS, and Javascript you can use inspect element functionality on your web browser to figure out exactly what code you need to write to make the automated browser perform the desired tasks. If I get time I will post a longer explanation.

I was a programmer in unix and so I do it in shell script. There is no way to automate as the page that shows the show list for a location does it after a refresh. So I do that manually. But that is one time activity.  Once you have the show list it can be automated. Its a dirty way of doing it but any refresh is just running a script.

3 hours ago, FlashMaster659 said:

Maybe it was explained here before but it would be cool if somebody posted a tutorial on using these programs to get seat data quicker.

Its not a rocket science. its just web scraping. once you have a page link its just pulling it and reading the data. Just look at page source to get the required information.

 

But let us keep it low key it could be shutdown if they change the code. I am not able to pull in from 3rd party sites like Fandango or Atom.

[cax16]

48 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

What's the total # of tickets across all reporting theaters?

 

Ok, figured it out. First, it’s been 24 theatres not 22, only 3 have not been reporting but that hasn’t changed the whole time. 

 

Total tickets across all the theatres (24) - 46641

 

I should add, that’s the total as of today, lots of new shows keep popping up so many don’t have a lot of tickets sold but either way that’s the total number of seats that will probably be available Thursday night. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by cax16

[Menor the Destroyer]

32 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

I was a programmer in unix and so I do it in shell script. There is no way to automate as the page that shows the show list for a location does it after a refresh. So I do that manually. But that is one time activity.  Once you have the show list it can be automated. Its a dirty way of doing it but any refresh is just running a script.

Its not a rocket science. its just web scraping. once you have a page link its just pulling it and reading the data. Just look at page source to get the required information.

 

But let us keep it low key it could be shutdown if they change the code. I am not able to pull in from 3rd party sites like Fandango or Atom.

Fandango is doable for me. It's just a question of runtime because there are so many theaters covered that it would be impractical to do them all and still be able to give daily reports. But if the runtime issue could be managed that would be an amazing source as pretty much all major theaters would be covered.

[Eric Loves Rey]

Joker Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-2 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	155	2,558	30,597	8.36%

 

Total Showings Added Today: 39

Total Seats Added Today: 4,642

Total Seats Sold Today: 546

 

Comp

2.786x of Once Upon 2 days before release (16.16M)

1.340x of It: Chapter Two 2 days before release (14.07M)

 

Adjusted Comp

3.116x of Hobbs & Shaw 2 days before release (18.07M)

 

Some of the comps going down seems like a bad thing. But with how high the movie sold beforehand, this stuff happens. And besides, it's a good thing as it narrows things down further. And yadda yadda, 10M+ previews are likely, yadda yadda sales looking great, all that jazz

[keysersoze123]

26 minutes ago, Menor said:

Fandango is doable for me. It's just a question of runtime because there are so many theaters covered that it would be impractical to do them all and still be able to give daily reports. But if the runtime issue could be managed that would be an amazing source as pretty much all major theaters would be covered.

Fandango would be awesome as its across chains. Even doing it for 4-5 top cities would give a macro perspective into the BO.

[keysersoze123]

I was looking at AMC in NY/NJ and its not doing badly. It has good amount of seats and I could see more shows getting added as well.

 

AMC NYC/NJ Area Friday(283 shows)
 Total:8624/45699