Avatree Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, a2k said: TS3, Coco, IO A-grade Pixar this decade imo, in that order. Dory, Brave, MU solid Bs. Cars3 and TGD follow. Cars2 in a league of it's own. We are getting I2 but hope some day we get Rata2ille. Don't think it will happen though. R@@2·E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCKillswitch123 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jessie said: The articles is irrelevant as they only use a tiny fraction of cinema goers for their surveys. Fact is, Nemo made 1b and almost 500m domestic 13 years after it's originals release, clearly that's adult appeal. More impressively Nemo was hardly a story that needed a sequel, unlike the incredibles or Toy Story. Incredible has less fans, they are just louder A tiny fraction? An opening weekend of 135M is a tiny fraction to you? Literally 100M of Dory's gross on DOM opening alone (and this was a family animation; kids don't usually rush to theaters to watch films) was all teens or younger. Specifically, younger female audiences. Dory/Nemo served kids better than the original Incredibles (which, at the time, opened exactly on par w/Nemo; being more frontloaded despite wom also being probably just as strong means that it likely skewed heavier on older.... or maybe it was the release date, early November for TI vs 1st weekend of June for Nemo). Incredibles may be more frontloaded and may not outgross it, but the fact that it's going to outopen Dory, despite being a less successful and or pop culture-influent film, means that its fanbase is probably a lot more adult-oriented than Nemo/Dory's ever was. Edited June 14, 2018 by MCKillswitch123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lehnsherr Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Brad Bird has pretty much ruled out doing anymore sequels to his other films. Incredibles 2 was the one exception and it took 14 years. But damn that just made me realise Ratatouille is over 10 years old....getting to the stage where nearly all the Pixar films which I grew up with are nearly 10 years old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, MCKillswitch123 said: A tiny fraction? An opening weekend of 135M is a tiny fraction to you? Literally 100M of Dory's gross on DOM opening alone (and this was a family animation; kids don't usually rush to theaters to watch films) was all teens or younger. Specifically, younger female audiences. Dory/Nemo served kids better than the original Incredibles (which, at the time, opened exactly on par w/Nemo; being more frontloaded despite wom also being probably just as strong means that it likely skewed heavier on older.... or maybe it was the release date, early November for TI vs 1st weekend of June for Nemo). Incredibles may be more frontloaded and may not outgross it, but the fact that it's going to outopen Dory, despite being a less successful and or pop culture-influent film, means that its fanbase is probably a lot more adult-oriented than Nemo/Dory's ever was. But they don't survey everyone on OW so that 26% figure is pure speculation so hard to take completely seriously. Also older adults don't tend to rush out to movies so the argument spins both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCKillswitch123 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jessie said: But they don't survey everyone on OW so that 26% figure is pure speculation so hard to take completely seriously. Also older adults don't tend to rush out to movies so the argument spins both ways. It's less speculative than your "common sense" response (how is Nemo not tailor made for kids? Pure nonsense; it's a colorful, vibrant animated comedy-adventure that, sure, has dark moments and a message geared towards parents, but it's such an obvious message that anyone from age 7 can understand; Incredibles is a much more mature movie with a ton of shit and thematics that would fly over children's heads easily, not to mention it's far more violent too.... yeah, it's for kids too, but let's not pretend like it is kid-friendlier than even Nemo), which you pretty much just pulled out of your ass. And adults don't have to be 50+ year olds to rush to theaters - anywhere in the 20's, 30's, 40's, with or without their kids, counts. That being the demographic that usually rushes big time to these massive 100M+ openers (with some rare exceptions). Edited June 14, 2018 by MCKillswitch123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigley Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, a2k said: TS3, Coco, IO A-grade Pixar this decade imo, in that order. Dory, Brave, MU solid Bs. Cars3 and TGD follow. Cars2 in a league of it's own. We are getting I2 but hope some day we get Rata2ille. Don't think it will happen though. Cars 3 is by far the worst. The only good bits of it were the flashbacks from Cars 1. I agree with the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK007 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 What was so bad about Cars 3? It's harmless and safe. Sure, it's not Pixar quality, but then, few of their releases this decade have been. At the very least it can't be worse than Cars 2's Mater-dominated storyline or the trainwreck that was the Good Dinosaur. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, MCKillswitch123 said: It's less speculative than your "common sense" response (how is Nemo not tailor made for kids? Pure nonsense; it's a colorful, vibrant animated comedy-adventure that, sure, has dark moments and a message geared towards parents, but it's such an obvious message that anyone from age 7 can understand; Incredibles is a much more mature movie with a ton of shit and thematics that would fly over children's heads easily, not to mention it's far more violent too.... yeah, it's for kids too, but let's not pretend like it is kid-friendlier than even Nemo), which you pretty much just pulled out of your ass. And adults don't have to be 50+ year olds to rush to theaters - anywhere in the 20's, 30's, 40's, with or without their kids, counts. That being the demographic that usually rushes big time to these massive 100M+ openers (with some rare exceptions). They are both aimed at kids ffs, Incredibles just shares a more kid friendly story. You dont have to be a genius to know more adults watched Nemo than The Incredibles, it was 200m bigger and sold more on home video, Incredibles is also a colorful film about an angry kid who wants world domination whilst a family of superheroes have to take him down, dont pretend that isn't strictly aimed at kids, it is not more adult oriented than a father trying to find his son. the emotional beats hit adults far more than the children and in turn Nemo was huge. Enough with this 'Incredibles appealed to more adults' bullshit, you just sound silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I don't believe anyone anymore when they say they'll never do a sequel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyGossamer Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Pretty sure more adults and kids watched Nemo. Admissions were considerably higher than the Incredibles for Nemo. Of course this has no basis on fact, but I believe Nemo is more kid friendly than Incredibles. The story, color palette, etc. just make it seem more kid friendly to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCKillswitch123 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jessie said: They are both aimed at kids ffs, Incredibles just shares a more kid friendly story. You dont have to be a genius to know more adults watched Nemo than The Incredibles, it was 200m bigger and sold more on home video, Incredibles is also a colorful film about an angry kid who wants world domination whilst a family of superheroes have to take him down, dont pretend that isn't strictly aimed at kids, it is not more adult oriented than a father trying to find his son. the emotional beats hit adults far more than the children and in turn Nemo was huge. Enough with this 'Incredibles appealed to more adults' bullshit, you just sound silly. How is exactly is the story of a family man who's having a middle age crisis and goes out trying desperately to revive his prime days by going on his family's back only to find a kid he's wronged in the past who has killed or is trying to kill every single one of his super kind more kid-friendly than a father trying to rescue his young son from a scuba diver who is screwing with nature to find a present for what he believes is a good-natured, would-take-good-care-of-the-fish nephew of his? That really sounds to me like a more complex and less kid-skewing plot than Nemo's. Not to mention that Incredibles deals with themes of bureauracy, corruption, identity, nostalgia, self-confidence, the struggles of managing family life with your interests and even features scenes of attempted suicide, attempted child murder and brutal on-screen deaths via shit ton of explosions. Almost all of that shit would fly over kids' heads, though, cause they're distracted with what appeals to them. I'm not saying Nemo wasn't more watched and more popular than Incredibles, I'm not pretending like Nemo was just for kids, and I'm not denying that Nemo had its share of violent stuff as well, but YOU sound silly if you're pretending that Incredibles as a movie didn't appeal to adults more than Nemo did. And box office-wise, it's just as silly to pretend like that big difference between the two wasn't at least strongly kid-driven. It's fucking obvious it was. It was a Summer release when most kids were out of school (compared to November where they're not), a far more comedic film than Incredibles and a more colorful and vibrant one too. If Incredibles didn't appeal to adults more, how the hell is the sequel pegged to open bigger than Dory even though Nemo far outgrossed the original, again? Edited June 14, 2018 by MCKillswitch123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Guys, guys, you're all pretty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fast and the Furiosa Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I think a movie with talking sea creatures had a “little” more kid appeal than the Incredibles did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnnyGossamer said: Pretty sure more adults and kids watched Nemo. Admissions were considerably higher than the Incredibles for Nemo. Of course this has no basis on fact, but I believe Nemo is more kid friendly than Incredibles. The story, color palette, etc. just make it seem more kid friendly to me. Nemo was in a different league frankly. If I2's reception is better than Dory on BOT and it falls below Dory's 486, at least in part that's a testamaent to Nemo's brand. I2 has a lot going for it : good critics reception (verdict still out on what GA thinks), good promos, positive social media buzz and the apt CBM era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyGossamer Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Not generating the overwhelming critical buzz of Pixar's most cherished sequels but holding strong with a RT at 94%/8.0 and MC at 79. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 94%? Yikes this is really bad for Pixar standards. Not looking good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvador-232 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 So this is Finding Dory all over again, how disappointing. As others have said, I guess I'll leave my expectations at the theater door 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: 94%? Yikes this is really bad for Pixar standards. Not looking good! Grace loved the film! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oMeriMombatti Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 INCREDIBLES 2 Becomes Fandango’s Biggest Animated Pre-Seller of All-Timehttps://t.co/EukU2wNVad#Incredibles2 #Pixar #BoxOffice https://t.co/EukU2wNVad— Boxoffice (@BoxOffice) June 14, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 94% on RT and MC 79 and that's somehow disappointing. Never change BOT. Never change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
