The Final Countdown: BOT's Top 100 Movies of All-Time - The List is Complete, The Empire is Dead, I Now Go to the Grey Havens

[Tower]

53 minutes ago, Jake Gittes said:

People realized their mistake following 2012. 

I used to put Avatar on my lists, but that's because I hadn't watched many films, so any film that I reasonably liked, like Avatar, would make it. My opinion of Avatar hasn't changed, but since then I have watched a lot of films, so something like Avatar is nowhere near making it.

[WrathOfHan]

Just now, MrPink said:

One time a friend of mine wanted to go to sleep before the baptism sleep and I had to guilt that idiot into finishing the film

At least have the balls to tag me  

[That One Girl]

Just now, MrPink said:

One time a friend of mine wanted to go to sleep before the baptism sleep and I had to guilt that idiot into finishing the film

 

Friend 

[MrPink]

1 minute ago, WrathOfHan said:

At least have the balls to tag me  

 

 

[IronJimbo]

GODFATHER

Number 1 Placements: 3

Top 5 Placements: 5

Top 10 Placements: 9

Top 25 Placements: 14

 

I doubt Titanic is going to do much better than these scores so I'm thinking top 5 might be out of reach

 

 

11 minutes ago, Auteur Panda said:

Number 8 will show there are still some surprises left to come!

Also this could suggest that Raiders is 8th as I don't see Empire or Fellowship dropping but Raiders could

Edited May 21, 2018 by IronJimbo

[TwoMisfits]

1 minute ago, IronJimbo said:

GODFATHER

Number 1 Placements: 3

Top 5 Placements: 5

Top 10 Placements: 9

Top 25 Placements: 14

 

I doubt Titanic is going to do much better than these scores so I'm thinking top 5 might be out of reach

Godfather only got 25 votes out of 61 (or is it 62) lists...so, there's still a chance:)...

[baumer]

Panda has allowed me to present number 7.  We will get to it once 8 has been mentioned.

[Wrath]

I'm sorry, I think there's been some kind of tabulation error.

 

I haven't seen Big Trouble in Little China anywhere on the list yet...

[Fancyarcher]

I love Titanic, and yet I just realized I forget to put it in on my list. 

Edited May 21, 2018 by Fancyarcher

[The Panda]

 

Number 8

Titanic (1997)

Paramount Pictures, Directed by James Cameron (139 Points, 22 Votes)

 

"I'm the king of the world!"

 

Number 1 Placements: 4

Top 5 Placements: 8

Top 10 Placements: 12

Top 25 Placements: 15

Previous Rankings: 2016 (28, +20), 2014 (59, +41), 2013 (26, +18), 2012 (5, -3)

Awards Count: Won 11 Oscars, Including Best Picture

Tomatometer: 88% (8.0 Avg Rating)

Box Office: 600.8m (1.18b Adjusted)

Synopsis: A seventeen-year-old aristocrat falls in love with a kind but poor artist aboard the luxurious, ill-fated R.M.S. Titanic.

Critic Opinion: "Take one of history's most compelling tragedies, tell it through the lives of two engaging young lovers and show it with some of the best-ever special effects and you have a dazzling, exciting movie that is also poignant and personal.  The story of "Titanic" is so good that if written as fiction, it would be dismissed as preposterous.  The last half of this movie, with the ship sinking, is worth the price of admission. And the scenes in which the ship breaks and the stern plummets into the water are breathtaking.

 

She meets that someone on Titanic: Jack, a drifting artist who lives life to its fullest. He wins his third-class ticket in a poker game. The chemistry between the two is undeniable, and she eventually throws over Hockley, who tries his best to wreck the young love.  This love story is melodramatic, but what young love isn't?" - Joe Holleman

User Opinions: "Masterpiece."  - @That One Guy

 

"The best film of 1997 and incredibly, as good as this is, it's only Cameron's third best film."  - @baumer

 

"Titanic is EVERYTHING. Some may say whatever they want on it, but the fact the movie manages to capture the audience enough to actually care about it(regardles if that's a positive or a negative opinion on the film itself) after fricking 17 years must tell sth. I myself can't help but watch it every time it airs on tv even though i saw it soooo many times before that i somewhat learned most of the lines by heart. There is just sth about Titanic that transcends and keeps the audience engaged.
Truly one of the best examples of modern cinema hands down."  - @Ajde

Commentary: James Cameron comes onto our list one last time with his 90s historical epic, placing the highest it's been since 2012, Titanic.  Titanic is Cameron blending a melodramatic tragic romance in the midst of spectacle of a real historical disaster at the end, and the entire thing manages to work as one sweeping film.  The movie obviously moved audiences, as it had unstoppable legs and kept people coming back for seconds, thirds, fourths and fifths.  This is also the movie that really launched Leonardo DiCaprio's career, while also being the peak of it Box Office wise (which is insane given how impressive his track record at the box office is).  The movie had the least amount of votes of any movie in the top 10, with it appearing on 36% of the lists submitted but it had the highest average score of any movie on the list at 6.3, meaning the mean score of placements was right above the top 15 mark.

Decade Count: 90s (27), 10s (15), '00s (14), 80s (13), 70s (10), 60s (6), 50s (4), 40s (3), 30s (1)

Tomatometer Count: Over 90% (73), 80%-90% (14), 70%-80% (3)

Adjusted Box Office Count: 1b+ (4), 900m (2), 800m (1), 700m (4), 600m (2), 500m (4), 400m (10), 300m (9), 200m (14), 100m (16), Under 100m (25)

Director Count: Steven Spielberg (6), James Cameron (5), Francis Ford Copolla (3), Alfred Hitchcock (3), Ridley Scott (3), Martin Scorsese (3), Damien Chazelle (2), David Fincher (2), Stanley Kubrick (2), John Lasseter (2), Sergio Leone (2), Richard Linklater (2), John McTiernan (2), Hayao Miyazaki (2), Christopher Nolan (2), Andrew Stanton (2), Quentin Tarantino (2), Lee Unkrich (2), Robert Zemeckis (2), J.J. Abrams (1), Roger Allers (1), Paul Thomas Anderson (1), John Avildsen (1), Brad Bird (1), Ash Brannon (1), Frank Capra (1), Ron Clements (1), Joel and Ethan Coen (1), Alfonso Cuaron (1), Michael Curtiz (1), Jonathan Demme (1), Stanley Donen (1), Frank Darabont (1), Pete Docter (1), Clint Eastwood (1), Victor Fleming (1), Milos Forman (1), Terry Gillam (1), Peter Jackson (1), Rian Johnson (1), Terry Jones (1), Gene Kelly (1), Akira Kurosawa (1), David Lean (1), Ang Lee (1), Spike Lee (1), Katia Lund (1), James Mangold (1), Michael Mann (1), Richard Marquand (1), Fernando Meirelles (1), George Miller (1), Rob Minkoff (1), John Musker (1), Jordan Peele (1), Roman Polanski (1), Harold Ramis (1), Rob Reiner (1), Russo Brothers (1), Gus van Sant (1), Bryan Singer (1), Isao Takahata (1), Guillermo Del Torro (1), Gary Trousdale (1), King Vidor (1), Orson Welles (1), Peter Weir (1), Robert Wise (1), David Yates (1), Wachowskis (1)

Franchise Count: Best Picture Winner (15), Pixar (7), Steven Spielberg (6), James Cameron (5), Star Wars (3), Toy Story (3), Alien and Predator (3), Studio Ghibli (3), WDAS (3), Dead Wife Cinematic Universe/Nolan (2), Marvel (2), Terminator (2), The Godfather (2), 'Before' (1), Blade Runner (1), Monty Python (1), X-Men (1), MCU (1), Captain America (1), Die Hard (1), Harry Potter (1), Rocky (1), Oz (1), Indiana Jones (1), Nemo (1), Dollars (1), Hannibal (1), Mad Max (1), Jurassic Park (1), Jaws (1), Back to the Future (1), Matrix (1), Middle Earth (1)

Genre Count: Drama (37), Adventure (31), VFX Driven (30), Thriller (24), Sci-Fi (24), Fantasy (22), Epic (22), Comedy (21), Action (20), Novel Adaption (19), Period Piece (19), Family/Children (17), Romance (16), Crime/Noir (15), Sequel (14), Animation (13), Horror (12), War (12), Tragedy (12), Indie (11), Musical (7), Foreign Language (6), Cult Classic (5), Western (5), Romantic Comedy (5), Melodrama (5), Spy/Detective (4), Bio-Pic (4), Christmas (3), Sports (3), Superhero (3), Comic Book (2), Satire (2), Remake (2)

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2018 by Auteur Panda

[Jake Gittes]

eh.

[DAR]

Titanic is a tremendous film.   Didn't make my top 100 but no issues with it on the list.

[That One Girl]

TOO LOW

[The Panda]

Oops Titanic had 22 votes not 23!

[Cap]

LOL @ Video

[That One Girl]

TITANIC SHOULD BE HIGHER BUT INSTEAD WE'RE GONNA GET THE INFERIOR THE DARK KNIGHT AHEAD OF THE MASTERPIECE

[FantasticBeasts]

Justice has finally been served to Titanic in this forum...

 

[baumer]

Usually we'd let the discussion go on a while longer, but I am heading out to see DP2 again, so here is number 7:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Number 7

Star Wars Episode IV:  A New Hope (1977)

20th Century Fox, Directed by George Lucas (142 Points, 33 Votes)

 

 

 

 

Number 1 Placements:  1

Top 5 Placements: 4

Top 10 Placements: 7

Top 25 Placements: 14

Previous Rankings: 

Awards Count: Won 7 Oscars, nominated for best picture and best director, total of 12 nominations

Tomatometer: 93% (8.6 Avg Rating)

Box Office: 460.9 million through several releases (1.63 billion Adjusted)

Synopsis: The Imperial Forces, under orders from cruel Darth Vader, hold Princess Leia hostage in their efforts to quell the rebellion against the Galactic Empire. Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, captain of the Millennium Falcon, work together with the companionable droid duo R2-D2 and C-3PO to rescue the beautiful princess, help the Rebel Alliance and restore freedom and justice to the Galaxy.

Critic Opinion:  “Star Wars'' effectively brought to an end the golden era of early-1970s personal filmmaking and focused the industry on big-budget special-effects blockbusters, blasting off a trend we are still living through. But you can't blame it for what it did, you can only observe how well it did it. In one way or another all the big studios have been trying to make another “Star Wars'' ever since (pictures like "Raiders of the Lost Ark," "Jurassic Park" and "Independence Day" are its heirs). It located Hollywood's center of gravity at the intellectual and emotional level of a bright teenager.

It's possible, however, that as we grow older we retain within the tastes of our earlier selves. How else to explain how much fun “Star Wars'' is, even for those who think they don't care for science fiction? It's a good-hearted film in every single frame, and shining through is the gift of a man who knew how to link state of the art technology with a deceptively simple, really very powerful, story. It was not by accident that George Lucas worked with Joseph Campbell, an expert on the world's basic myths, in fashioning a screenplay that owes much to man's oldest stories:  Roger Ebert

User Opinions:  Straight up watch this and take note on how to make a movie.  A++++++++++++++++++  @Jay Hollywood

 

Arguably the most influential film of all time, how does Star Wars hold up? Extremely well. Unfortunately, I only had possession of the Special Edition, but it's easy to ignore that gunk and enjoy the economic worldbuilding and storytelling going on. At only two hours long, the film still feels like an epic, full of starmaking performances and wonderful special effects. You can't single out anyone as Hamill, Fisher, and Ford all perfectly embody their characters and make them iconic. The fights are great, although the ending dogfight might be a tad overlong. John Williams' score is astounding and I have to imagine what it would've been like back in 1977 to hear it for the first time. Star Wars is a classic, and I can't really add much that hasn't already been said about it. A+  @Blankments

 

 

 

Commentary:  

Perhaps no film, in the long history of Hollywood, did more to change movies than George Lucas’ Star Wars did. Director Francis Ford Coppola, when interviewed in 1999, recalled Lucas originally wanted to buy the rights to Flash Gordon. Lucas tried unsuccessfully for months but still they would not sell him the rights. And that was when Lucas told Coppola, “Well, I’ll just invent my own.” Lucas spent the next five years writing Star Wars.

 

It went through five drafts before finally settling on the script that we know now. Luke Skywalker was originally called Luke Starkiller. There were many other changes as well. Lucas pitched it to every studio and even though Lucas was coming off a huge hit with American Graffiti, United Artists passed on it and so did Disney and Universal. But Lucas had a friend in Alan Ladd Jr.from 20th Century Fox. He loved Lucas’ American Graffiti and although he didn’t understand all of the script (in fact he flat out didn’t get the lingo or the technical jargon) he believed in Lucas and eventually helped secure a budget of $8 million. During filming, the budget kept increasing and Lucas was inventing special effects as he was going along. His nascent company ILM were working on special effects even in post production as they raced to get the film finished on time. The final budget for the film ended up being just under $11 million and 20th Century Fox was so nervous that the film was going to be an albatross they threatened to shut down production. The only person who stood in the way of this happening was Ladd, who fought for Lucas every step of the way.

 

In February 1977, Lucas screened an early cut of the film for Fox executives and several director friends. The cut had a different crawl from the finished version and used David Prowse’s voice for Darth Vader. It also lacked most special effects. Blaster beams hadn’t been invented by ILM yet, so hand drawn arrows were substituted. When the Millennium Falcon was battling TIE fighters, Lucas had to insert old footage of WWII dog fights. The reactions of the directors present, such as Brian De Palma, John Milius, and Steven Spielberg, disappointed Lucas. Spielberg, who claimed to have been the only person in the audience to have enjoyed the film, believed that the lack of enthusiasm was due to the absence of finished special effects. Lucas later said that the group was honest and seemed bemused by the film. In contrast, Ladd and the other studio executives loved the film; Gareth Wigan told Lucas: “This is the greatest film I’ve ever seen” and cried during the screening. Lucas found the experience shocking and rewarding, having never gained any approval from studio executives before.

 

Star Wars debuted on Wednesday, May 25, 1977, in 32 theatres. Now keep in mind, there was no internet, no Box Office Mojo and no instant tracking. George Lucas was so unsure about the success of Star Wars, that upon visiting Steven Spielberg on the set of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he bet that Close Encounters would be a bigger hit than Star Wars. Spielberg disagreed and they bet profit points of 2.5%. Today, Spielberg still makes 2.5% of the profits from Star Wars. I personally don’t know how that would work now that Disney owns Star Wars but I would imagine Spielberg still gets his royalties.

 

Lucas decided he would be in Hawaii with his wife when Star Wars came out. He was watching the evening news when Walter Cronkite discussed the gigantic lines for Star Wars. This is when Lucas realized he just became a very wealthy man. But before all of this happened, 20th Century Fox was still sure the film would tank. They were so sure of this that they heavily promoted The Other Side of Midnight as their big summer film and they had Star Wars as their secondary film for theater owners.

 

Star Wars blew up instantly and it quickly set box office records and made household names of the cast. Harrison Ford even had his shirt ripped off when buying an album at a record store. Once word spread about Star Wars, more and more people came out. Unlike today’s film climate where the opening weekend makes or breaks your film, 40 years ago everything was word of mouth. On it’s 6th weekend, it set the record for highest grossing film for a weekend with 7.4 million. This passed Jaws for the highest opening weekend of all time.

 

Before Star Wars, 20th Century Fox’s highest annual profits topped out at $37 million. 1977 saws that double to $79 million. Lucas’ effort turned that company around. Before the science-fiction classic from a galaxy far, far away (and this might be one of the reasons the studio was so nervous about the escalating budget) 20th Century Fox was in a bit of trouble. They hadn’t had a really good year for a while. Star Wars changed all of that.

 

Lucas’ space opera has a legacy like no other film in the history of cinema. It’s not just the box office, it’s what Star Wars represents and how studios scrambled to get their own version of Star Wars out. It’s how ILM became a big boy….it’s how Lucas brokered a deal for himself and the merchandising rights.

 

Film critic Roger Ebert wrote in his book The Great Movies, “Like The Birth of a Nation and Citizen Kane, Star Wars was a technical watershed that influenced many of the movies that came after.” It began a new generation of special effects and high-energy motion pictures. The film was one of the first to link genres together to invent a new, high-concept genre for filmmakers to build upon. And, along with Steven Spielberg’s Jaws, it shifted the film industry’s focus away from personal filmmaking of the 1970s and towards fast-paced, big-budget blockbusters for younger audiences.

 

Filmmakers who have said to have been influenced by Star Wars include James Cameron, J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Dean Devlin, Gareth Edwards, Roland Emmerich, John Lasseter, David Fincher, Peter Jackson, Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Ridley Scott, John Singleton, Michael Bay and Kevin Smith. James Cameron has been quoted as saying that Star Wars was the film he wish he had made and it directly influenced him to get started. Jackson borrowed ideas for Lord of the Rings and Christopher Nolan cited Star Wars as an influence when making the 2010 blockbuster film Inception.

 

Star Wars was released 40 years ago as of May 25. Its legacy is cemented and its influence immeasurable.  With Disney at the helm, Star Wars seems to be in good hands with great filmmakers being lured to keep the legacy going. Other films have usurped it in terms of box office and worldwide gross, but beyond the box office Lucas’ epic has left us something indelible, something you can’t count using dollars. It’s given generation after generation something to see together, something to talk about and something to love together. Jaws is still my favourite film of all time, but Star Wars and all of its sequels are very close behind. It’s also a film that shows and proves that if you have an imagination, if you believe and if you never give up, good things can happen. George Lucasgave us something that will live on forever; a legacy that will live on long after I’m gone from this Earth. Star Wars (arguably) has done more to shape and influence film and filmmakers than any other film in history.

 

May the Force Be With You.......  BAUMER

 

 

Decade Count: 90s (26), 10s (15), '00s (14), 80s (13), 70s (9), 60s (6), 50s (4), 40s (3), 30s (1)

Tomatometer Count: Over 90% (72), 80%-90% (13), 70%-80% (3)

Adjusted Box Office Count: 1b+ (3), 900m (2), 800m (1), 700m (3), 600m (2), 500m (4), 400m (10), 300m (9), 200m (14), 100m (16), Under 100m (25)

Director Count: Steven Spielberg (6), James Cameron (4), Alfred Hitchcock (3), Ridley Scott (3), Martin Scorsese (3), Damien Chazelle (2), Francis Ford Copolla (2), David Fincher (2), Stanley Kubrick (2), John Lasseter (2), Sergio Leone (2), Richard Linklater (2), John McTiernan (2), Hayao Miyazaki (2), Christopher Nolan (2), Andrew Stanton (2), Quentin Tarantino (2), Lee Unkrich (2), Robert Zemeckis (2), J.J. Abrams (1), Roger Allers (1), Paul Thomas Anderson (1), John Avildsen (1), Brad Bird (1), Ash Brannon (1), Frank Capra (1), Ron Clements (1), Joel and Ethan Coen (1), Alfonso Cuaron (1), Michael Curtiz (1), Jonathan Demme (1), Stanley Donen (1), Frank Darabont (1), Pete Docter (1), Clint Eastwood (1), Victor Fleming (1), Milos Forman (1), Terry Gillam (1), Peter Jackson (1), Rian Johnson (1), Terry Jones (1), Gene Kelly (1), Akira Kurosawa (1), David Lean (1), Ang Lee (1), Spike Lee (1), George Lucas (1), Katia Lund (1), James Mangold (1), Michael Mann (1), Richard Marquand (1), Fernando Meirelles (1), George Miller (1), Rob Minkoff (1), John Musker (1), Jordan Peele (1), Roman Polanski (1), Harold Ramis (1), Rob Reiner (1), Russo Brothers (1), Gus van Sant (1), Bryan Singer (1), Isao Takahata (1), Guillermo Del Torro (1), Gary Trousdale (1), King Vidor (1), Orson Welles (1), Peter Weir (1), Robert Wise (1), David Yates (1), Wachowskis (1)

Franchise Count: Best Picture Winner (13), Pixar (7), Steven Spielberg (6), James Cameron (4), Star Wars (4), Toy Story (3), Alien and Predator (3), Studio Ghibli (3), WDAS (3), Dead Wife Cinematic Universe/Nolan (2), Marvel (2), Terminator (2), 'Before' (1), Blade Runner (1), Monty Python (1), X-Men (1), MCU (1), Captain America (1), Die Hard (1), Harry Potter (1), Rocky (1), Oz (1), Indiana Jones (1), Nemo (1), The Godfather (1), Dollars (1), Hannibal (1), Mad Max (1), Jurassic Park (1), Jaws (1), Back to the Future (1), Matrix (1), Middle Earth (1)

Genre Count: Drama (35), Adventure (31), VFX Driven (29), Thriller (24), Sci-Fi (24), Fantasy (23), Comedy (21), Epic (21), Action (20), Family/Children (17), Period Piece (17), Novel Adaption (17), Romance (15), Crime/Noir (14), Sequel (14), Animation (13), Horror (12), War (12), Indie (11), Tragedy (11), Musical (7), Foreign Language (6), Cult Classic (5), Western (5), Romantic Comedy (5), Melodrama (4), Spy/Detective (4), Bio-Pic (4), Christmas (3), Sports (3), Superhero (3), Comic Book (2), Satire (2), Remake (2)

 

[Tower]

Titanic is far too high, but I do like it more than the 2 Star Wars movies that are going to show up.

[DAR]

Can we say 7 is too low?   Still it remains a remarkable film.  And it's just so simple in it's story telling.