Weekend Thread: Rampage 34.5M, AQP 32.6M, ToD 19M, RPO 11.2M, Blockers 10.2M

[RandomCat]

26 minutes ago, AJG said:

Disney put this out. They really want you to know:

 

...I wonder if they're proud of this movie.

[a2k]

27 minutes ago, AJG said:

Disney put this out. They really want you to know:

 

It's a leaked email to WB.

[narniadis]

I think it was in the tracking thread earlier this week that I said Rampage would mirror Hercules... looks like I was about right. Said this morning that 30m was the target and it looks to come in under that a bit - too bad.

 

The other films not names A Quiet place - yikes....

[Mojoguy]

We all know Avengers: Infinity War is basically Black Panther 1.5

[IronJimbo]

1 minute ago, Mojoguy said:

We all know Avengers: Infinity War is basically Black Panther 1.5

if trailer/teaser 2 (you know the one I mean) is anything to go by it's Black Panther 2

[Barnack]

34 minutes ago, Krissykins said:

Rampage under Hercules from 4 years ago. 

 

The Rock may be a draw, but very inconsistently. 

 

Central Intelligence

San Andreas

The Other Guys

Tooth Fairy

Race to Witch Mountain

 

Those are his biggest (non flop), non-franchise live action films. 

 

Only 3 over $100m. 

A bit out of your subject but he was in The Other guys for maybe 3-5 minute with Sam Jackson, not sure how much it count into is 100m domestic success list.

 

Has for being a consistent draw, I think he became one but that it is relatively recent, with the fast&furious franchise.

 

You are a universal draw if you bring significantly more people worldwide in theater than if you were not in the movies (DiCaprio, Denzel) and you can be a draw in a genre if you are able to do that in your line (Kevin Hart, Mccarthy, Dwayne Jonhson, type). I think that in recent year's he constantly did that and Baywatch/Rampage will be proving without a doubt he is a big draw I think at least in is action-comedy lane.

 

 

[MCKillswitch123]

16 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

are you ok?

...it was a joke about Disney, mate. Yeah, I'm fine, don't worry.

Edited April 13, 2018 by MCKillswitch123

[Ledmonkey96]

I still think Jack Black was a better draw in Jumanji than generic action Star Johnson.

[grey ghost]

Anybody know what page Deadlines weekend projections are on?

 

KthanxBye.

[ThePhasmid]

13 minutes ago, narniadis said:

I think it was in the tracking thread earlier this week that I said Rampage would mirror Hercules... looks like I was about right. Said this morning that 30m was the target and it looks to come in under that a bit - too bad.

 

The other films not names A Quiet place - yikes....

I'm with you on the Hercules projection. Johnson doesn't need a big hit after the surprisingly monumental success of Jumanji. No one saw that coming, but we can partially attribute its success to Johnson. He can take a break this year. A couple of films that meet expectations both critically and financially isn't a bad thing.

Edited April 13, 2018 by ThePhasmid

[Ledmonkey96]

1 minute ago, grey ghost said:

Anybody know what page Deadlines weekend projections are on?

 

KthanxBye.

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[AJG]

21 minutes ago, POTUS said:

you're welcome

there already was a trade war, and we were losing big for 40 years, we're just battling back for a change

they built over 50,000 screens up 66% from 2 years ago while the BO has only risen 20% in that time. They cant afford to cut HLWD films which do 45% of the BO. It would kill their theater chains.

 

Not a single exclamation point or made up word....

 

You’re not the real Trump!!!

[POTUS 2020]

5 minutes ago, Barnack said:

A bit out of your subject but he was in The Other guys for maybe 3-5 minute with Sam Jackson, not sure how much it count into is 100m domestic success list.

 

Has for being a consistent draw, I think he became one but that it is relatively recent, with the fast&furious franchise.

 

You are a universal draw if you bring significantly more people worldwide in theater than if you were not in the movies (DiCaprio, Denzel) and you can be a draw in a genre if you are able to do that in your line (Kevin Hart, Mccarthy, Dwayne Jonhson, type). I think that in recent year's he constantly did that and Baywatch/Rampage will be proving without a doubt he is a big draw I think at least in is action-comedy lane.

 

 

Hes hit or miss as most are, and FF is ensemble and he was a late edition to the cast

4/13/18	Rampage (2018)	WB (NL)	n/a	4,101	n/a	4,101	29
12/20/17	Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle	Sony	$403,764,830	3,849	$36,169,328	3,765	1
5/25/17	Baywatch	Par.	$58,060,186	3,647	$18,503,871	3,647	18
4/14/17	The Fate of the Furious	Uni.	$226,008,385	4,329	$98,786,705	4,310	5
11/23/16	Moana (Voice)	BV	$248,757,044	3,875	$56,631,401	3,875	3
6/17/16	Central Intelligence	WB (NL)	$127,440,871	3,508	$35,535,250	3,508	9
10/23/15	Jem and the Holograms (Cameo)	Uni.	$2,184,640	2,417	$1,375,320	2,413	-
5/29/15	San Andreas	WB (NL)	$155,190,832	3,812	$54,588,173	3,777	7
4/3/15	Furious 7	Uni.	$353,007,020	4,022	$147,187,040	4,004	2
7/25/14	Hercules (2014)	Par.	$72,688,614	3,595	$29,800,263	3,595	15
5/24/13	Fast & Furious 6	Uni.	$238,679,850	3,771	$97,375,245	3,658	4
4/26/13	Pain and Gain	Par.	$49,875,291	3,303	$20,244,505	3,277	20
3/28/13	G.I. Joe: Retaliation	Par.	$122,523,060	3,734	$40,501,814	3,719	10
2/22/13	Snitch	LG/S	$42,930,462	2,511	$13,167,607	2,511	23
2/10/12	Journey 2: The Mysterious Island	WB (NL)	$103,860,290	3,500	$27,335,363	3,470	12
4/29/11	Fast Five	Uni.	$209,837,675	3,793	$86,198,765	3,644	6
11/24/10	Faster	CBS	$23,240,020	2,470	$8,523,153	2,454	26
8/6/10	The Other Guys	Sony	$119,219,978	3,651	$35,543,162	3,651	11

 

Smith and Hanks were big draws and had huge consistent runs 

12/19/08	Seven Pounds	Sony	$69,951,824	2,758	$14,851,136	2,758	15
7/2/08	Hancock	Sony	$227,946,274	3,965	$62,603,879	3,965	5
12/14/07	I Am Legend	WB	$256,393,010	3,648	$77,211,321	3,606	3
12/15/06	The Pursuit of Happyness	Sony	$163,566,459	3,169	$26,541,709	2,852	9
2/11/05	Hitch	Sony	$179,495,555	3,575	$43,142,214	3,575	7
10/1/04	Shark Tale (Voice)	DW	$160,861,908	4,070	$47,604,606	4,016	10
7/16/04	I, Robot	Fox	$144,801,023	3,494	$52,179,887	3,420	11
3/26/04	Jersey Girl (Cameo)	Mira.	$25,268,157	1,821	$8,319,171	1,520	-
7/18/03	Bad Boys II	Sony	$138,608,444	3,202	$46,522,560	3,186	12
7/3/02	Men in Black II	Sony	$190,418,803	3,641	$52,148,751	3,557	6
12/25/01	Ali	Sony	$58,203,105	2,521	$14,710,892	2,446	18
11/3/00	The Legend of Bagger Vance	DW	$30,919,168	2,162	$11,516,712	2,061	23
6/30/99	Wild Wild West	WB	$113,804,681	3,342	$27,687,484	3,342	13
11/20/98	Enemy of the State	BV	$111,549,836	2,517	$20,038,573	2,393	14
7/2/97	Men in Black	Sony	$250,690,539	3,180	$51,068,455	3,020	4
7/3/96	Independence Day	Fox	$306,169,268	2,977	$50,228,264	2,882	2

 

5/19/06	The Da Vinci Code	Sony	$217,536,138	3,757	$77,073,388	3,735	5
11/10/04	The Polar Express (Voice)	WB	$186,493,472	3,650	$23,323,463	3,650	8
6/18/04	The Terminal	DW	$77,872,883	2,914	$19,053,199	2,811	22
3/26/04	The Ladykillers	BV	$39,799,191	1,589	$12,634,563	1,583	29
12/25/02	Catch Me If You Can	DW	$164,615,351	3,225	$30,053,627	3,156	10
7/12/02	Road to Perdition	DW	$104,454,762	2,332	$22,079,481	1,797	19
12/22/00	Cast Away	Fox	$233,632,142	3,061	$28,883,406	2,774	4
12/10/99	The Green Mile	WB	$136,801,374	2,875	$18,017,152	2,875	11
11/19/99	Toy Story 2 (Voice)	BV	$245,852,179	3,257	$300,163	1	3
12/18/98	You've Got Mail	WB	$115,821,495	2,948	$18,426,749	2,691	15
7/24/98	Saving Private Ryan	DW	$216,540,909	2,807	$30,576,104	2,463	6
10/4/96	That Thing You Do!	Fox	$25,857,416	1,887	$6,208,595	1,870	40
11/22/95	Toy Story (Voice)	BV	$191,796,233	2,574	$29,140,617	2,457	7
6/30/95	Apollo 13	Uni.	$173,837,933	2,347	$25,353,380	2,197	9
7/6/94	Forrest Gump	Par.	$330,252,182	2,365	$24,450,602	1,595	2
12/24/93	Philadelphia	TriS	$77,446,440	1,604	$143,433	4	23
6/25/93	Sleepless in Seattle	TriS	$126,680,884	1,657	$17,253,733	1,579	13
7/1/92	A League of Their Own	Sony	$107,533,928	2,084	$13,739,456	1,782	17

 

[filmscholar]

Since 2010, The Rock's Opening Weekends when in the Lead Role (Non-F&F):

 

TF: 14 M

Faster: 8 M

Journey 2: 27 M

Snitch: 13 M

P&G: 20 M

Hercules: 29 M

San A: 54 M

CI: 35 M

M: 56 M

B: 18 M

J2: 36 M

 

He's definitely growing as a draw since "Scorpion King" almost 16 years ago.  It was smart to move "Rampage" up too.  

 

 

 

 

 

[filmlover]

Rampage became a victim of poor timing imo. Ready Player One and especially A Quiet Place stole its thunder (back-to-back breakouts are usually followed by a casualty), especially when a monster is looming around the corner (Infinity War, which I'm starting to think could actually challenge The Force Awakens for the opening record). The marketing also failed to find its groove in the home stretch as well: the ads in particular wavered uncomfortably between scenes of giant monsters destroying the city and The Rock one-liners.

 

Johnson will be fine, though. Dude's in so many movies (seriously, between all these movies and a TV show, how does he have time for even sleep?) that he's bound to have a miss every now and then.

[tonytr87]

1 hour ago, AJG said:

I just don’t care about Rampage at all. Maybe I’ll see it at cinemas, maybe not. I don’t care.

 

i think we’ve reached the point where people are feeling more and more comfortable to wait and watch big blockbusters at home.

 

It's not about that. 

 

Rampage has nothing to offer people outside of the Rock...again. People were still watching Jumanji just a few weeks ago. Giant apes? Giant lizards? People have seen it, and Rampage doesn't exactly offer any new twists. 

 

The moment with the giant wolf leaping at the helicopter is kinda cool, but otherwise it looks like shit. 

[Barnack]

3 hours ago, POTUS said:

Smith and Hanks were big draws and had huge consistent runs 

Those are 2 of the biggest of all time draw too, Tom Hanks is in talk with Tom Cruise John Wayne level:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_Poll

 

Hanks made Quigley's top 10 17 time, #5 of all time above Clark Gable, Harrison Ford and Newman. Smith was shorter prime but extremely high, peak Hanks/Will Smith cannot be the bar or even near the bar of what constitute being a draw. And even them have a couple of Ali/Ladykiller/Seven Pounds/That thing you do in there type of miss, even if we are talking the prime of possibly a top 5 best draw of all time with Hanks and one of the best prime of all time with W.Smith.

 

And that said Johnson track record is still extremely consistent, look how often he reached the 20m OW and he will do it again with Rampage. 

 

If we look at post Titanic DiCaprio, arguably the biggest draw of the last 20 year's of what it can possibly be at the highest nowaday:

 

Title	Rumored budget	O or biggest weekend	Total	Ratio
Inception	160 m	63 m	293 m	1.83
Revenant	135 m	40 m	183 m	1.36
Catch Me If You Can	52 m	30 m	165 m	3.17
Django Unchained	100 m	30 m	163 m	1.63
The Great Gatsby (2013)	105 m	50 m	145 m	1.38
The Departed	90 m	27 m	132 m	1.47
Shutter Island	80 m	41 m	128 m	1.60
The Wolf of Wall Street	100 m	18 m	117 m	1.17
Aviator	110 m	11 m	102 m	0.93
Gangs of New York	100 m	9 m	78 m	0.78
Blood Diamond	100 m	9 m	57 m	0.57
Iron Mask	35 m	17 m	57 m	1.63
The Beach	50 m	15 m	40 m	0.80
Body of Lies	70 m	13 m	39 m	0.56
J. Edgar	35 m	11 m	37 m	1.07
Revolutionary Road	35 m	5 m	23 m	0.65
Average:	85 m	24 m	110 m	1.29

 

Not directly comparing him to Johnson, is trying to sell much harder stuff to sell from time to time, but also a lot of those were great movie with big name director attached receiving big time award attention.

 

He went below 20m OW 56% of the time, 15m or below 43.5% of the time, is movie didn't reach a 10m weekend 18.75% of the time. They were all decent kind of budget when not 9 figures production (half were 100m or more movies), almost all if not all studio/Weinstein when he was big release.

 

He didn't do is budget back at the domestic box office 37.5% of the time, did 133% is budget domestic or better 50% of the time. That is what being really consistent will start to look like if not the biggest star, will probably never look like John Wayne run, is title has the biggest domestic box office phenomenom of all time is safe, (well maybe the Marvel universe could take that crown):

 

http://www.ultimatemovierankings.com/john-wayne-movies/ (it just crazy what he turned into 100m adjusted domestic run and how often he did it, 51 times!! insane, 55% of is movies made that mark)

 

Nor a 90s Tom Hanks, post Bad Boy too After Earth Will Smith level.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2018 by Barnack

[aabattery]

1 hour ago, AJG said:

Disney put this out. They really want you to know:

 

 

New Zealand getting the shout-out #represent.

[Maxmoser3]

The problem isn’t The Rock, it’s that he’s put in occasional bland products. Hercules, Baywatch, and now Rampage are perfect examples. 

The frailers to Rampage looked just eh. But honestly I hope Skyscraper becomes a hit in the summer and makes money. 

[Krissykins]

39 minutes ago, filmscholar said:

Since 2010, The Rock's Opening Weekends when in the Lead Role (Non-F&F):

 

TF: 14 M

Faster: 8 M

Snitch: 13 M

P&G: 20 M

Hercules: 29 M

San A: 54 M

CI: 35 M

B: 18 M

 

 

He's definitely growing as a draw since "Scorpion King" almost 16 years ago.  It was smart to move "Rampage" up too.  

 

 

 

 

 

Took out the sequels, franchise films, spin offs and animated films.