NO TIME TO DIE WEEKEND THREAD | Bond 56M, Venom 32M

[TalismanRing]

6 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 

The age of making heroes "angry edgy" is definitely coming to an end. Pattinson's Batman looks more "artsy edgy" ala JOKER.

 

 

Brosnan was famous, if not A-list, when cast. 

 

As was Roger Moore from The Saint and The Persuaders.  That's partially why they chose him, they didn't want another Lazenby - Box Office wise after Connery left again.  They wanted a name (they also tried to get Burt Reynolds and others names before that.

 

[John Marston]

Quantum of Solace’s legs were hilariously bad for the type of film  that it is. That terrible editing must have been a huge turn off 

[TalismanRing]

2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

PS - It was the heavy male skew that the fanbase has that saved it from a not good result...and I'm happy we finally get a diversity breakdown for a Bond...

 

"No Time to Die clocked an 81% positive score on PostTrak, and a 62% definite recommend. Males came out at 64%, with 57% over 35. Fifty-two percent were Caucasian, 17% Latino and Hispanic, 13% Black, and 18% Asian/other. The movie played best on the coasts and saw Imax and PLFs delivering close to 40% of its ticket sales to date."

 

Interesting.  Asian % is quite high (more than double the usual) while Hispanic is about 30% lower than the usual 23%.

[WrathOfHan]

So this gross isn't so much about older audiences not returning to theaters as it is younger audiences not caring about this franchise anymore. What a twist!

[excel1]

These movies exist first and foremost to make money. It is a simple commercial reality that the next actor must bring preexisting star power with the under 30 crowd to the table, or the series will continue to recede financially. NO TIME TO DIE cost "$250-300 million" and was marketed to high heaven and yet it will do 33% less than VENOM 2 on opening weekend. This is a terrible performance and is clearly a direct result of a handful of factors, the biggest being Venom's major advantage with the younger crowd.

 

The next Bond film will need a way to look different from the past and other spy movies. Between Bond and Mission Impossible, these are look and feel the same. 

 

The next Bond star doesn't need to be a "draw", but they need to be famous and they need to have a fanbase of sorts. Joaquin Phoenix is not a box office draw whatsoever in an original film, but he fits the "famous person in a famous role" bill perfectly and that translated to major dollars.

 

Henry Cavill certainly looks the part but his energy is much more straight laced than the role should call for. In terms of pure energy and checking off the most boxes, Chris Hemsworth is probably the best fit. Cillian Murphy would be an interesting return to Dalton sequel type and could be hot shit coming off Peaky Binders and Oppenheimer. Tom Hiddleston would be an interesting. 

 

Some other ideas would be to set the film in the US and target a more famous name for the baddie (sorry, Waltz and Malek clearly weren't the same as Anton Chigurh in terms of drawing power).

[filmlover]

Skyfall's massive overperformance was definitely a "right movie at the right time" sort of deal. The totals for Craig's run will finish in the $160-200M otherwise, which shows consistency.

[ACSlater]

I think Henry Cavill already did his demo tape for Bond in Man from UNCLE. That's the version I want. 

 

[Cmasterclay]

1 minute ago, excel1 said:

These movies exist first and foremost to make money. It is a simple commercial reality that the next actor must bring preexisting star power with the under 30 crowd to the table, or the series will continue to recede financially. NO TIME TO DIE cost "$250-300 million" and was marketed to high heaven and yet it will do 33% less than VENOM 2 on opening weekend. This is a terrible performance and is clearly a direct result of a handful of factors, the biggest being Venom's major advantage with the younger crowd.

 

The next Bond film will need a way to look different from the past and other spy movies. Between Bond and Mission Impossible, these are look and feel the same. 

 

The next Bond star doesn't need to be a "draw", but they need to be famous and they need to have a fanbase of sorts. Joaquin Phoenix is not a box office draw whatsoever in an original film, but he fits the "famous person in a famous role" bill perfectly and that translated to major dollars.

 

Henry Cavill certainly looks the part but his energy is much more straight laced than the role should call for. In terms of pure energy and checking off the most boxes, Chris Hemsworth is probably the best fit. Cillian Murphy would be an interesting return to Dalton sequel type and could be hot shit coming off Peaky Binders and Oppenheimer. Tom Hiddleston would be an interesting. 

 

Some other ideas would be to set the film in the US and target a more famous name for the baddie (sorry, Waltz and Malek clearly weren't the same as Anton Chigurh in terms of drawing power).

I disagree with setting it in the US (Bond should milk those UK dollars for every penny), but I agree that Joaquin Phoenix was by no means a "draw" when he did Joker - he was, however, a very famous person playing that very famous role, which is what someone like Murphy or Hiddleston or Kaluuya would be. 

[Ozymandias]

1 minute ago, John Marston said:

Quantum of Solace’s legs were hilariously bad for the type of film  that it is. That terrible editing must have been a huge turn off 

 

I watched the opening car chase and and the axe swinging finale on youtube recently and I felt my neurons dying.

[excel1]

14 minutes ago, Eric Safin said:

Collider suggested the next film could be a spiritual legacyquel, where a young, upstart James Bond is under the wings of an older MI6 agent...played by Pierce Brosnan. Rips off Kingsman, but it is able to tie into the nostalgia heartstrings while also having some fresh face that, if he connects, could appear in many movies for years to come, as well as a "pass the torch" kinda situation so long-time fans won't throw a hissy fit.

 

https://collider.com/james-bond-26-plot-theory/

 

Would be unique for sure, though they may need an even more different angle. Bond and Mission Impossible just blend together. 

[TalismanRing]

1 minute ago, John Marston said:

Quantum of Solace’s legs were hilariously bad for the type of film  that it is. That terrible editing must have been a huge turn off 

 

A 2.49 with small previews and it had Thanksgiving holidays in it's 3rd w/e.   Oof

[TwoMisfits]

Just now, WrathOfHan said:

So this gross isn't so much about older audiences not returning to theaters as it is younger audiences not caring about this franchise anymore. What a twist!

 

Nah, you still lost a lot of older planned revenue...thus the resetting of the age level to 45 (so it could be closer to the previous movie), and yet it still was lower)...

 

And this is before you get into ticket price inflation from 6 years ago...to only deliver X equivalent dollars after 6 years of ticket inflation and lowering the age level 5 years (where your fanbase aged up 6 years) isn't great...

 

But, it's probably as good as you get right now...so, now we have a new mark to compare with:)...

 

[excel1]

6 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Skyfall's massive overperformance was definitely a "right movie at the right time" sort of deal. The totals for Craig's run will finish in the $160-200M otherwise, which shows consistency.

 

Sam Mendes + Adele + Anton Chigurh helped MASSIVELY. They made that film far more relevant in pop culture than it otherwise would have been.

 

I don't want it getting lost either - the director matters, too. In 2021, the Director may be a bigger deal than the star. 

[ACSlater]

1 minute ago, excel1 said:

I don't want it getting lost either - the director matters, too. In 2021, the Director may be a bigger deal than the star. 

 

They can always get Nolan or Villenevue to start the new actor/era off with a bang. 

[Cmasterclay]

If the sole goal is to make as much money as possible, the next Bond should be Tom Hardy. He is a perfect modern Bond with the badass edge and the quintessential Britishness. He just proved with Venom he is one of the few true draws left in the world. He was already a big "value-added" draw in major projects like Mad Max, Revenant, and Dunkirk. He was voted Britian's most beloved star and is 10x more liked there than anywhere. He'd make this franchise huge money. But I think it won't happen due to a mutual lack of interest.

[TalismanRing]

Just now, ACSlater said:

 

They can always get Nolan or Villenevue to start the new actor/era off with a bang. 

 

Broccoli would have to give up final cut and probably finally (please please) kick their pet writers Purvis & Wade to the curb

[filmlover]

Lamb did $415K according to Deadline.

 

And yikes, Many Saints down almost 80% from last Friday. But not a surprise between HBO Max and frontloading/niche appeal.

[Blankments]

If they want someone famous who can stick around and generate buzz from a younger generation, the answer is obviously Daniel Kaluuya, who isn’t currently attached to any franchises besides playing a very minor character in the first Black Panther

[John Marston]

Just read on Reddit how there are no “Bond marathons” on TV anymore. While it probably wouldn’t matter these days, it probably helped the Brosnan films back in the day 

[TalismanRing]

Just now, Cmasterclay said:

If the sole goal is to make as much money as possible, the next Bond should be Tom Hardy. He is a perfect modern Bond with the badass edge and the quintessential Britishness. He just proved with Venom he is one of the few true draws left in the world. He was already a big "value-added" draw in major projects like Mad Max, Revenant, and Dunkirk. He was voted Britian's most beloved star and is 10x more liked there than anywhere. He'd make this franchise huge money. But I think it won't happen due to a mutual lack of interest.

 

He's a draw as Venom.  Nothing else shows he's a draw.  He could be a draw as Bond but he'd seriously have to clean himself up and start articulating instead of mumbling.  Once upon a time it looked like he bathed and he spoke like a normal person so it's possible.