HAN SOLO MEMORIAL (day weekend) THREAD | Solo Flops Domestically with 83M/101M weekend. Spectacularly Bombs Overseas with 65M weekend.

[Avatree]

never heard of this Roseanne person, looked on her twitter and she seems pretty unfunny. but jeeeeez people are touchy nowadays. A comedian making a jab at someone's appearance.. nope never seen that before. Not sure what there is to get worked up about.

[WrathOfHan]

1 minute ago, Nova said:

That's a mistake. 

Yeah, idk what they’re thinking. Book Club is keeping the second biggest auditorium as well, but that makes sense given it sells out shows like crazy here  

[Nova]

1 minute ago, Ranger Tree said:

never heard of this Roseanne person, looked on her twitter and she seems pretty unfunny. but jeeeeez people are touchy nowadays. A comedian making a jab at someone's appearance.. nope never seen that before. Not sure what there is to get worked up about.

It's almost as if there is racist connotations when calling a black person an ape. 

 

But im sure you wouldn't understand. You're too busy getting worked up about people eating food while watching a movie. 

[The Futurist]

Would be fun if a Clint Eastwood family member had the good idea to record on an electronic device the great jokes the family members exchange after church service on Sundays.

Rumor has it Tom Hanks himself laughed at some of those jokes on the set of Sully.

[Pure Spirit]

Just now, Nova said:

It's almost as if there is racist connotations when calling a black person an ape. 

 

But im sure you wouldn't understand. You're too busy getting worked up about people eating food while watching a movie. 

I wouldn't have known she was black unless someone told me. She looks Persian.

[Nova]

Just now, WrathOfHan said:

Yeah, idk what they’re thinking. Book Club is keeping the second biggest auditorium as well, but that makes sense given it sells out shows like crazy here  

Yea I mean unless Solo is bombing at your theater, it doesn't make sense for it lose out to Adrift lol Like I wouldn't be shocked if that opens below IW Book Club is keeping one of the bigger auditoriums at my theater as well. It sold out the small one a lot this weekend so they're giving it the bigger one but also decreasing its showtimes 

[Avatree]

1 minute ago, Nova said:

It's almost as if there is racist connotations when calling a black person an ape. 

 

But im sure you wouldn't understand. You're too busy getting worked up about people eating food while watching a movie. 

I googled the person in question and she doesn't seem to be black...? I can see the planet of the apes thing it's not very funny but nor is it something any sane minded person would get upset about.

 

And yes... I know which of the two things you mention is worse  

[TalismanRing]

3 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Would be fun if a Clint Eastwood family member had the good idea to record on an electronic device the great jokes the family members exchange after church service on Sundays.

Rumor has it Tom Hanks himself laughed at some of those jokes on the set of Sully.

[Nova]

3 minutes ago, Ranger Tree said:

I googled the person in question and she doesn't seem to be black...? I can see the planet of the apes thing it's not very funny but nor is it something any sane minded person would get upset about.

 

And yes... I know which of the two things you mention is worse  

She is black though even though she may not "look" it. The point is if you're comparing a black person to an ape, you're being racist. I understand you're not from the USA so the history behind those types of comments may not make any sense to you but those types of comments are made to belittle black people. It's not because we can't take a "joke." It's because there is a history behind those comments that is intertwined with racism and slavery amongst other things. 

[Avatree]

Just now, Nova said:

She is black though even though she may not "look" it. The point is if you're comparing a black person to an ape, you're being racist. I understand you're not from the USA so the history behind those types of comments may not make any sense to you but those types of comments are made to belittle black people. It's not because we can't take a "joke." It's because there is a history behind those comments that is intertwined with racism and slavery amongst other things. 

Hm okay. I will take your word for it. Don't know how someone can "be black" without it being in appearance though. Don't go all Rachel Dolezal on me.

[CoolioD1]

genuinely laughed when i saw tree and futurist showed up at the exact same time to do their shtick over this.

[MrGlass2]

Well this thread has certainly gone to interesting places since yesterday. In this respect, the Solo weekend was a success.

 

[terrestrial]

26 minutes ago, Uzice said:

As I wrote in the other thread, there has been some talk of a possible 3x multiplier for Solo. Is that viable?

I earnestly do not know.

I am more into looking into a movie's production/financing background details and ww BO after its run in the cinemas is ended

Not sure if anyone can answer that yet. I'd wait for at least a week, till a holiday free midweeks BO, then you'll might get a clearer picture

 

Just in case you are new and I didn't aöready said it:

[tonytr87]

16 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

I wouldn't have known she was black unless someone told me. She looks Persian.

 

The exact quote was something like "if the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby." So whether we're talking about the fact that she's from Iran or that she's African-American, either way it was a bigoted statement. 

[pepsa]

1 hour ago, terrestrial said:

 

As mentioned and posted over the weekend, I try to

compile a list of points made pro and contra Solo... and the franchise

I read around 5/6 of the thread = I might have missed thoughts

In a way a www list

 

Here now the updated version:

 

Actually about the movie itself in a way ~ pro the film:

reduced pool of aimed for audience:

more for fans of the OT, but counting not for all for reasons, PT fans might be less / not interested at all (that is only a feeling)

more for ppl who do like small scale side stories too

ppl who have nothing against going the time-line backwards

 

middle ground:

Film is fine, but not superb

 

About the film ~ anti:

At least one thinks: "Lando is Pan-sexual" announcement is part of the reason

Lead character too American brash for today's OS taste

Not enough brash ... (?term) aehm typical Han as he was as a 10-15y older one in SW4-6

Rt critics ratings

Some think its mediocre

A certain percentage of organised down-voting might not have helped also

Does not contribute to the big story in a big enough manner (or nearly not at all)

 

Not interested into the franchise and/or the studio up to even crusading against it:

- Some root against big budgets on principle

Some root against certain studios for reasons that vary again:

- based on competing for records / chart places franchises. I counted at least 4 of those a lot

- studio too big

- too SJW (more out of the net, but a few ones do sound a little bit like they read there too)

 

company /distributor is The cause / also a cause:

reasons based on internal / different departments' needs release dates,... that might hinder (see comments about Igor pushing for early release from the get go for reasons nothing to do with cinema/BO)

ads not placed in a way reaching the potential interested (esp. OS, to a degree in the US), if there was even outside the cinemas ads at some places

Too much competition out of the same audience/same demographic (AIW, DP2)

promo started too late, 1st trailer wasn't that good, trailer released whilst other big news/BO/... That might have been even worse for OS as there are more PT fans there / didn't grew up with Han

embargo lifted too early

Was Cannes - with it's for 'high cultural' seeking reviewers, the right place to show the film?

 

News/magazines/YT based influence on potential audience:

ppl are sceptical because the re-shoot stories

ppl are sceptical because casting decisions

 

general preferences or thoughts:

Interlacing sequels and prequels might not be something for ppl preferring continuity in the time-line

Average / part of the audience have not the money or time, not so much into going to the cinemas to watch that many big events... in the cinema in such a short time-frame (av movie-goer doesn't go that often per year) = 1st time it got mentioned before Deadline wrote about that too.

Big sports events in the US, and UK at least

Weather in UK, Germany, ... was very cinema unfriendly, whole market in those countries was bad (I think meant mostly about %, not in the huge number area)
 

~ mystical or... (?)

Is Memorial Day cursed for Disney? (I think the grammar sounds wrong here)
 

Not interested into it, but interested into other SW movies:

Some want to only see forwards going stories (time-line generally more future orientated than they do it now)

Some want to only see backwards happening stories (time-line way back, see KOTOR)

Some are haters of previous film xy (interestingly that differs too), dislike them... varying degrees

Some want to boycott till whatever they aim for gets changed, that too differs, very strongly even

Some want to see more male white leads again... and funnily boycott the movie that actually does offer what they 'screamed' for

Some do only want to see Harrison as Solo

Some want SW to be always a space opera (what both side stories are not)

Some want only the side-story forca certain character, but do not want to support a side-story about another character. Which character should get next a movie differs strongly again. Incl which details in those movies should be part of the story.

Some want change, but for some of those only the exact kind of change they aim for and then strongly disapprove if the change involves details other fans asked for, or if the change is varying from their partly rather narrow formulated ones.

Some demand every film has to feel special and think that only more time between the releases will manage that

Some want the movies only at certain times of the year

Some want risk, but what they exactly mean never gets explained with fleshed out examples , and/or what is there to find in the thread-post's descriptions, seems to differ again

Some think too many got released in a too short of a time-frame (oversaturate)

 

SW7 + SW8:

interaction not long enough between the 3 leads, no developing friendship or...

Most importantly Rey in SW8 no development (in opposition to the feeling that the studio think the resistance is based on anti-female)

Inn and Poe neither get developed

Kylo no real development neither, only a new status (supreme leader exchange)

Some Hoping for surviving Luke, or ghost Luke, or.. whatever they might come up with to get him back for showing more of him ~ back to his old self

story takes place within 'felt like 2 days' (= SW 8 and Solo)

No goal to see for the next one (not sure if it was meant in that way as I haven't seen SW8)

The hope nothing similar as the Casino scene will happen (off beat?)

~ Really, a death star again?

Fandom feels it gets either ignored or misunderstood

 

Unique or interesting/better phrased than I am able to:

@Mekanos asked

@Chewy

@Barnack (a bit out of context, still usable for here I think):

@DeeCee

@titanic2187

 

trades:

Deadline:

Mendelson:

( btw Mendelson is know for:

- having an unusual kind of black/bleak humour/sarcasm, be aware, he doesn't always get how others, not used to him, might interpret his wordings.

- He isn't good with OS/China

- not a fan of the SH genre)

 

 

Did I miss something?

 

I tried to compile all sides, no matter what I think about the movie

 

 

Can we nominate her for an oscar plz, this is some high quality Production !

[Avatree]

2 minutes ago, tonytr87 said:

 

The exact quote was something like "if the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby." So whether we're talking about the fact that she's from Iran or that she's African-American, either way it was a bigoted statement. 

How is that a bigoted statement? It's just a joke about someone's appearance. Is it bigoted to make a joke about a white person's appearance?

[Deathlife]

11 minutes ago, Ranger Tree said:

Hm okay. I will take your word for it. Don't know how someone can "be black" without it being in appearance though. Don't go all Rachel Dolezal on me.

Serious question, have you ever seen black people before?

 

They have myriad skin tones from extremely fair to dark skinned.

 

 

[Water Bottle]

33 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:

And maybe she sent the tweet because there's also a history of comparing politicians you don't like to primates. I don't know, and Fox News certainly doesn't know. Roseanne has been a walking disaster for 30 years, there's a photo of her burning jewish cookies in an oven while wearing a swastika. To pretend that now she crossed the line is the height of faux outrage, let's get real. Nobody is normalizing racism on the board by pointing this out, and it's offensive, patronizing, and condescending that you would insinuate that.

 

Right I wonder if someone who has a picture of her burning cookies in an oversight while wearing a swastika sent that tweet for racist reasons or not. Oh wait the answer is yes definitely she was being racist. 

[Avatree]

3 minutes ago, Deathlife said:

Serious question, have you ever seen black people before?

 

They have myriad skin tones from extremely fair to dark skinned.

 

 

sure but seems like she is Iranian? 

 

Whatever the case don't see how comparing someone to an ape is racist, given we are literally all apes, isn't it kind of inevitable that certain people look more like our relatives than others? just depends on facial structures really. Not to mention that apes do not even have dark skin.

[tonytr87]

7 minutes ago, Ranger Tree said:

How is that a bigoted statement? It's just a joke about someone's appearance. Is it bigoted to make a joke about a white person's appearance?

 

You're so dumb it hurts.